The only thing that woman showed was a lack of personal responsibility and coherent thought. Did she assume that there would be no consequences for her action?
What did she really think was going to happen when she approached an officer and attempted to work against him? I bet it wasn't "FALCON PUNCH!"
Originally posted by Rogue Jediits actually suppose to reduce injury to the officer and the perp...
Much more room for injury there.
the reason they dont want you punching and kicking is b/c it can seriously injure and kill the perp. your told not to strike the head and places like the ribs but meaty areas like thighs and bicep.
hard to argue against police brutality when the vic has knuckle and boot marks and you're train against that and using open palm strikes instead.
punching is actually less effective then applying pressure holds along with blood and air chokes.. i believe the academy doesnt want officers using air chokes same as the marine MP/OC/ micmap training.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
The only thing that woman showed was a lack of personal responsibility and coherent thought. Did she assume that there would be no consequences for her action?
Have you even met the "strong black woman" type? Those bitches are tough and don't take shit from anyone, especially a newb white police officer. Yes, I'm dead serious.
Originally posted by LLLLLink😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
What did she really think was going to happen when she approached an officer and attempted to work against him? I bet it wasn't "FALCON PUNCH!"
Okay...I think you just one the thread!
Dude, animate that into the vid, NOW!
Originally posted by Wild ShadowSure, better to twist their hands behind their back, risking a broken arm or an injured shoulder. And slamming them to the ground? That's got zero room for injury.
its actually suppose to reduce injury to the officer and the perp...the reason they dont want you punching and kicking is b/c it can seriously injure and kill the perp. your told not to strike the head and places like the ribs but meaty areas like thighs and bicep.
hard to argue against police brutality when the vic has knuckle and boot marks and you're train against that and using open palm strikes instead.
punching is actually less effective then applying pressure holds along with blood and air chokes.. i believe the academy doesnt want officers using air chokes same as the marine MP/OC/ micmap training.
Just watched the vid again, closer this time, and what I just posted rings true. If the cop wouldn't have hit her, she was gonna hit him, or at the very least be all up in his shit. What DDM just posted:
Have you even met the "strong black woman" type? Those bitches are tough and don't take shit from anyone, especially a newb white police officer. Yes, I'm dead serious.
QFT, man, I know from experience.
Dumb ***** hit the wrong man.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the what-ifs are what they are trained on and try to avoid. Their primary goal should be enforcing the law and minimizing injury to potential criminals, bystanders, and themselves. The "what-if" of an escalating crowd was a very real threat, at that moment, and keeping himself off the ground, at that point, should have been his #1 priority. Once he hits the ground in an antagonistic crowd like that, he is at a much greater risk of death or permanent injury.
The crowd was not antagonistic until he threw the punch, and even then, the crowd was simply concerned and surprised, they weren't anywhere near getting involved.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Except, in this situation, it really did. Did she come after the cop after that? Did she interfere any longer? Nope. So, he really did "disarm" her.
It was obvious that I was talking about disarming someone who had a gun. Not scaring some unarmed teenage girl into not being annoying anymore. But yes, if your point is that punching someone is cool because it will make them go away, that's true. Doesn't make it the right course of action, though.
again it doesnt matter what you think might happen it is what is written as procedure and a properly applied technique will not harm the perp unless he or she suffers from some calcium problem.
aside from that what is more likely to occur and preferred to happen.. a broken wrist and bruises from being forcibly restrained and pushed to the ground by a kick to the back of the knee and a twisted arm and on the off chance a broken bone?
or a broken nose, teeth and at the worse unconscious, death coma etc etc..
now paramedics are involved and your in violation of procedures to boot..
i agree that the b#@#@ should have bn punch and knocked the F@#@ out but not by the police and not by some one that is suppose to uphold the rules and follow procedures
that is the problem with ppl nowadays she or he is a criminal had it coming guy should get a metal...ect ect.. no... he broke the rules in the course of his duty and proven to be unfit.. if ppl feel different then after his punishment hire him and give him money
Just saying.
People can moan and ***** about it all they want but this is for internal and external inquiries are for. We all have opinions but in the grand scheme of thing our opinions mean squat... So lets just not share them! Simply as this is one of the most tedious bunch of posts I've ever read. Especially the ones of a certain soft fruit.
Originally posted by BackFire
The crowd was not antagonistic until he threw the punch, and even then, the crowd was simply concerned and surprised, they weren't anywhere near getting involved.
We didn't watch the same vid, then. They were ataganozing long before the berch got a beat down.
Originally posted by BackFire
It was obvious that I was talking about disarming someone who had a gun. Not scaring some unarmed teenage girl into not being annoying anymore. But yes, if your point is that punching someone is cool because it will make them go away, that's true. Doesn't make it the right course of action, though.
Ergo my putting "disarm" in quotes. It's a metaphor for "disarming the situation from her."
I agree with your second point, of course. I think Wild Shadow put it into perspective on how many different options, that were better, could have been employed.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
People can moan and ***** about it all they want but this is for internal and external inquiries are for. We all have opinions but in the grand scheme of thing our opinions mean squat... So lets just not share them! Simply as this is one of the most tedious bunch of posts I've ever read. Especially the ones of a certain soft fruit.
YEAH! Let's not have a forum because our opinions mean SQUAT! WEEEEE!
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
answer this, do you think he followed the rules and is not in violation of standard police procedure during an arrest?
You read the manual and get back to us on that.
But his "guild president" condoned his actions so he's not going to lose his job or get suspended without pay, or anything. Worst he'll get is some cuffing training which he is in desperate need of.
Originally posted by dadudemonOn matters regarding the law... Yeah, they do...
We didn't watch the same vid, then. They were ataganozing long before the berch got a beat down.Ergo my putting "disarm" in quotes. It's a metaphor for "disarming the situation from her."
I agree with your second point, of course. I think Wild Shadow put it into perspective on how many different options, that were better, could have been employed.
YEAH! Let's not have a forum because our opinions mean SQUAT! WEEEEE!
I bet both parties involved would rather the incident had never happened... If only to stop the inane chatter that is spewing out all of your keyboards.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You read the manual and get back to us on that.But his "guild president" condoned his actions so he's not going to lose his job or get suspended without pay, or anything. Worst he'll get is some cuffing training which he is in desperate need of.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i have, repeatedly, at least the military MP version which is actually the same possibly minor changes.
police
the answer he was not here is the civilian version plus the steps and when to employ them.. escalation of force and arrest.
captain
http://www.policetest.info/FORCE_CONTINUUM_POLICE_USE_OF_FORCE.htm
I'm talking about the actual rule-book (for that city?) that someone posted earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Restraining a teenage girl is easy if you can do what ever you want. Unfortunately this guy is a cop and he has to restrain her while causing a minimum of harm. Also he had to fight off another attacker, again with a minimum of harm and the knowledge that if they did get hurt people would go completely apeshit over it no matter what the situation was.
fair enough
we can argue over a lot of the points, but I guess what I was really trying to say is that, even if it was a difficult situation or a tough "on-your-toes" call, that nothing the officer did helped him gain control of the situation. In fact, punching the girl in the face nearly started a meele.
We can have sympathy for the fact that maybe he didn't want to use as much force as would have been necessary to restrain the girl properly, but even then, his behaviour didn't really do anything to take control of the situation, which is his job.
Originally posted by inimalist
fair enoughwe can argue over a lot of the points, but I guess what I was really trying to say is that, even if it was a difficult situation or a tough "on-your-toes" call, that nothing the officer did helped him gain control of the situation. In fact, punching the girl in the face nearly started a meele.
We can have sympathy for the fact that maybe he didn't want to use as much force as would have been necessary to restrain the girl properly, but even then, his behaviour didn't really do anything to take control of the situation, which is his job.
The only problem: it did help his situation. He still struggled with the original criminal, though. The other stayed pretty far back, after that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The only problem: it did help his situation. He still struggled with the original criminal, though. The other stayed pretty far back, after that.
no, it didn't
at best, it was a crap shoot over how involved her friends would get after hitting her, a realistic possibility being a meele between an officer and a number of teens.
Even then however, the punch and the ineffective shoving he carried on with with the girl escalated, predictably, the situation. There was not one thing that he did which made the situation better.