Originally posted by BackFire
Well since she's black, need to sock her in the face.Glad that's all sorted out.
Yeah, and:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012154761_rosenthal19m.html
Previously, Rosenthal was charged in November with second-degree robbery. According to prosecutors, she punched a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle Aug. 28. The boy told police that his cellphone and $20 were stolen in the incident.
A 14-year-old boy told police that he was punched in the head and his hat was stolen.
And:
In April 2008, Rosenthal was charged with third-degree theft after she allegedly stole a minivan in Tukwila, prosecutors said. Kent police said she used a screwdriver to break the ignition and start the vehicle.
Yeah..... 🙄
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
By not cooperating. By trying to walk away when the cop is trying to ticket you.
That isn't an arrestable offense. Police can't force a ticket on you, because the ticket that is being given to you is for your convenience. When cops write tickets they keep a copy of it for themselves and give you a copy, so even if you lose your copy or don't receive one the Gov't is still aware of your crime. So there's no reason to force a ticket on to someone. If you having a copy of a ticket was really important then the police wouldn't leave them on your dashboard to get blown away in the wind. It's purely for your convenience.
Point being, if a Cop writes you a ticket doesn't matter if you get a copy of it or not, so it doesn't matter if you just walk away. It's not the cops business to ensure you get the ticket.
EDIT- The exception to that would be if the cop isn't able to get your information to write the ticket in the first place, in which case if you withhold that info then they have the right to arrest you.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And when she tries to walk away, and her friend pushes the cop? What then? Should the cop just drive away with his tail between his legs?
WTF? Dude there are two different cases here. One is the girl who said F you cop and you cannot charge me for jaywalking and the other where her friend assaulted the cop.
1. Gets ticketed or maybe arrested.
2. Her friend gets charged with assault.
Thats it.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That isn't an arrestable offense. Police can't force a ticket on you, because the ticket that is being given to you is for your convenience. When cops write tickets they keep a copy of it for themselves and give you a copy, so even if you lose your copy or don't receive one the Gov't is still aware of your crime. So there's no reason to force a ticket on to someone. If you having a copy of a ticket was really important then the police wouldn't leave them on your dashboard to get blown away in the wind. It's purely for your convenience.Point being, if a Cop writes you a ticket doesn't matter if you get a copy of it or not, so it doesn't matter if you just walk away. It's not the cops business to ensure you get the ticket.
EDIT- The exception to that would be if the cop isn't able to get your information to write the ticket in the first place, in which case if you withhold that info then they have the right to arrest you.
But you see, by walking away, you are escalating the situation. Why not let the cop ticket you and fight it in court?
As for your EDIT: It's likely that she never gave him her ID, that she acted a fool from the get go.
Originally posted by The Nuul
WTF? Dude there are two different cases here. One is the girl who said F you cop and you cannot charge me for jaywalking and the other where her friend assaulted the cop.1. Gets ticketed or maybe arrested.
2. Her friend gets charged with assault.
Thats it.
She committed a crime. The cop was trying to ticket her for said crime. Let's say a cop stops someone for a moving violation. The cop gets out of his car and walks up to their car. The suspect takes off. What then?
This is hilarious, the cop was completely within his rights hitting her and you guys are still defending the girl. Would you rather he taze her or shoot her?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She committed a crime. The cop was trying to ticket her for said crime. Let's say a cop stops someone for a moving violation. The cop gets out of his car and walks up to their car. The suspect takes off. What then?This is hilarious, the cop was completely within his rights hitting her and you guys are still defending the girl. Would you rather he taze her or shoot her?
Nothing, the cop cannot touch her. BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT STATE.
What you cannot read?
I said her friend gets charged with assault.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She committed a crime. The cop was trying to ticket her for said crime. Let's say a cop stops someone for a moving violation. The cop gets out of his car and walks up to their car. The suspect takes off. What then?This is hilarious, the cop was completely within his rights hitting her and you guys are still defending the girl. Would you rather he taze her or shoot her?
You commit the logical fallacy of false dilemma. Those are not the only options. He could have pushed her, he could have held her back, and so on.
I don't think the girl is innocent here at all, it was stupid of her to lay her hands on the cop like that. However, the cop overreacted. Punching her in the head without any kind of warning was not the right action to take in this specific situation, I feel. Your theoretical "what if's" actually have nothing to do with what happened here.
Originally posted by BackFire
You commit the logical fallacy of false dilemma. Those are not the only options. He could have pushed her, he could have held her back, and so on.I don't think the girl is innocent here at all, it was stupid of her to lay her hands on the cop like that. However, the cop overreacted. Punching her in the head without any kind of warning was not the right action to take in this specific situation, I feel. Your theoretical "what if's" actually have nothing to do with what happened here.
Ok, but he chose to punch her. Taking her down by force, he is risking bodily injury to her.
What if's are everything here. Cops have to deal with shit like this:
And this
And this:
Yeah, I know, the guys in the vids are crazy drugged up assholes, but how was the Seattle cop to know that the lady didn't have a gun in her purse?
He found himself in a pressure situation, he acted, that's it.