The Dresden Files

Started by HulkIsHulk7 pages

Yeah that bugs me too.

If I had to take a guess though, I'd say it's probably something to do with the mark He Who Walks Behind left on Dresden after their first fight, which is also visible via Wizard's Sight. Because most people who don't know his history, or at least have a decent knowledge of Walkers, would probably have no idea what it is. Just this alien, monstrous, otherworldly aspect imprinted on Dresden's psyche. And even those who do know about them would probably freak the hell out from being that close to even that much of an Outsider, considering how dangerous they are, especially the Walkers.

One thing I do find interesting about the three Walkers is that their names seem to tie into their behaviour/roles within the Outsider hierarchy.

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He Who Walks Behind seems like a predator/stalker/hunter type, hence the "walking behind". Which also fits with his other title, the Lord of the Slowest Terror.

He Who Walks Before was the most openly confrontational, even getting in the face of a former Angel on his home turf, and led a full-scale assault against Demonreach, hence walking before, which also fits with his other titles, such as the Gatebreaker, Harbinger etc. He's the guy who leads the vanguard.

And then He Who Walks Beside. He poisons you and then, once infected, accompanies you along wherever you go, essentially, well, walking beside you as it worms into every action and thought.

Though something He Who Walks Beside said did strike me as rather interesting, which ties into the Black Knights and Nicodemus.

Nicodemus to Harry in Death Masks: "Apocalypse is a frame of mind."

He Who Walks Beside to Harry in Battle Ground: "Apocalypse isn’t an event, it is a frame of mind."

Which makes me wonder, maybe we had it backwards. That Nicodemus is actually the one who was infected all along, because it would also actually help solve some inconsistencies regarding Namshiel. Could actually be a case that Namshiel was not infected and attacked Arctis Tor because he believed Mab was. I mean there was a brief period where a bunch of people did suspect that she might have been getting influenced by Nemesis. And Mab struck back because the Fae always have to balance the scales. And, Nemesis or not, I imagine the Archangels and the Fallen would be enemies anyway, hence Uriel's involvement. And would also explain his opposition to Nic. And due to the nature of Nemesis, Nicodemus wouldn't even know he was doing their bidding. Of course, this is just me wildly speculating though.

I have another theory

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Lucifer hates humanity due their susceptibility to Nemesis and that is why he fell

Plus don't you think its weird that the junkie from Storm Front was able to immediately identify Harry's aura being tainted with He Who Walks Behind and before? Anyone else using the sight despite being experiencee wizards were not that precise is knowing what was what.

Plus Odin is Beowulf. Grendel is one of the forest people. Huh?

And now Jim Butcher said in an interview that Kemmler used to be Warden of Demonreach. Dresden seems to just walk into this doesn't he😂😂🤣🤣

And thinking about that, in the short story Day Off, Mister looked exactly like he looks normally without it, unlike Mouse, or frankly anyone ever
Though it makes me wonder, what if anybody other than Lucio walked in at the end? Lmao it would look like an orgy or something?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I have another theory
Spoiler:
Lucifer hates humanity due their susceptibility to Nemesis and that is why he fell

Plus don't you think its weird that the junkie from Storm Front was able to immediately identify Harry's aura being tainted with He Who Walks Behind and before? Anyone else using the sight despite being experiencee wizards were not that precise is knowing what was what.

Plus Odin is Beowulf. Grendel is one of the forest people. Huh?

And now Jim Butcher said in an interview that Kemmler used to be Warden of Demonreach. Dresden seems to just walk into this doesn't he😂😂🤣🤣

Well, yeah, Harry seems to be getting sucked deeper and deeper into that kind of direction but, in his defense, seems the foundations for at least some of it was laid before he was even born by his mother and others. And makes sense considering how powerful Kemmler became.Probably got a bunch of

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information from all the Big Nasties locked down there.
. IIRC, it took the vast majority of the White Council to stop him.

Though on the plus side, once

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Harry marries Lara he'll have another layer of protection against the White Council as an official member of House Raith. And as long as Thomas is also still locked in Demonreach, you'd better believe that Lara would slaughter as many Wizards as necessary to get the point across. Because as we know, while Wizards can be hell to deal with in a straight fight, there are workarounds to take them out quickly and cleanly, and Lara has a lot of money to pay professional snipers. Of course, that's assuming old Snake Boy's death curse doesn't hit her too.

Harry's Warden file

https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php?topic=19774.0

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If I had to take a guess though, I'd say it's probably something to do with the mark He Who Walks Behind left on Dresden after their first fight, which is also visible via Wizard's Sight. Because most people who don't know his history, or at least have a decent knowledge of Walkers, would probably have no idea what it is. Just this alien, monstrous, otherworldly aspect imprinted on Dresden's psyche. And even those who do know about them would probably freak the hell out from being that close to even that much of an Outsider, considering how dangerous they are, especially the Walkers.

This outsider stuff is mentioned in the above file

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Harry's Warden file

https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php?topic=19774.0

Man, Harry is never going to live those rumours about him and Thomas down. 😆

That comment about the Archive is kinda scary though. If what we've seen so far is Ivy only tapping into a portion of the full power of the Archive, they better watch out. IIRC, Butcher confirmed that Dresden is pretty much the only person Ivy considers a friend, so I shudder to think what she'd do if she came face to face with someone who tried to kill him.

Granted, she did let

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Kincaid off the hook, but I don't think lightning will strike twice in that regard.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Man, Harry is never going to live those rumours about him and Thomas down. 😆

Also it shows how Lara is keeping image. Untill recently, Harry is doing stuff for stepdaddy Raith.

It also somewhat answered/confirmed your doubt about the soulgaze

So WC thinks Harry is a fanatic who can kill off Fae Ladies and wipe out bloodlines on his own, and literally has an Archangel as an ally, and could straight up kill a Warden while 16 (though the last part was confirmed in Skin Game), and now has a magical island which used to be Kemmler's

No wonder they are skittish

Though the Uriel part confuses me, since there was no-one who would have told them. Another thing is that how did they know Mab removed his fire magic?
All they would know is that Michael cured him via Luccio

And I can't understand why they think too much into the ghoul incident. If someone hurt innocent kids in my care, I would make them suffer

And the most damning thing is they keep underestimating his smarts. I mean, prejudiced much?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That comment about the Archive is kinda scary though. If what we've seen so far is Ivy only tapping into a portion of the full power of the Archive, they better watch out. IIRC, Butcher confirmed that Dresden is pretty much the only person Ivy considers a friend, so I shudder to think what she'd do if she came face to face with someone who tried to kill him.

Granted, she did let

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Kincaid off the hook, but I don't think lightning will strike twice in that regard.

Archive has all the recorded knowledge of the world, that is collosal. Plus she's what 18? When she gets to her physical prime its gonna be more uber.

And from what we've seen, I think the one Senior Council member Dresden has to watch out the most is Ancient Mai. She's isvthe pettiest of them all towards him. Atleast Merlin is having a control freak attitude to explain it

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Also it shows how Lara is keeping image. Untill recently, Harry is doing stuff for stepdaddy Raith.

It also somewhat answered/confirmed your doubt about the soulgaze

So WC thinks Harry is a fanatic who can kill off Fae Ladies and wipe out bloodlines [B]on his own, and literally has an Archangel as an ally, and could straight up kill a Warden while 16 (though the last part was confirmed in Skin Game), and now has a magical island which used to be Kemmler's

No wonder they are skittish

Though the Uriel part confuses me, since there was no-one who would have told them. Another thing is that how did they know Mab removed his fire magic?
All they would know is that Michael cured him via Luccio

And I can't understand why they think too much into the ghoul incident. If someone hurt innocent kids in my care, I would make them suffer

And the most damning thing is they keep underestimating his smarts. I mean, prejudiced much?[/B]

Well, I am assuming that file is compiled through the books and fan interviews and such. Because there are a few other things that seem a bit off. Like the WC should know that Kincaid is more than just a skilled mercenary, considering Ebenezer's history with him.

And part of them underestimating him is probably because they deliberately didn't train him properly. I need to go find the quote again by Butcher, but he said something along the lines of there are still things Harry doesn't properly understand about magic because the people around him were reluctant to teach him, given his mother's history and his relationship with Justin DuMorne etc.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Archive has all the recorded knowledge of the world, that is collosal. Plus she's what 18? When she gets to her physical prime its gonna be more uber.

She should be around that age. I mean she's apparently been able to drive herself around now for a bit, so that would make her at least 16 if she's staying in the US or 17 if it's the UK. So, yeah, she's probably around 18 or so by now.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
And from what we've seen, I think the one Senior Council member Dresden has to watch out the most is Ancient Mai. She's isvthe pettiest of them all towards him. Atleast Merlin is having a control freak attitude to explain it

Ancient Mai is a very unknown quantity at this point. And yeah, Langtry is both a control freak and seems to be obsessed with battling any and all forms of black magic with extreme prejudice, so it makes sense that he'd be paranoid of Dresden and his actions, considering some of Harry's ties and relationships.

JB seems to have been setting Harry up for the biggest torture ever.
There is [[spoiler:
* Ursiel - Genowska escaping Hades. There is quite a bit of chance that Hannah - Lasciel escaped too.
* Mavra came back along with her boss trying to kidnap Harry along others.
* Nicodemus is still out there.
* Listen has escaped as usual
* Marcone won't be pleased with him stealing the castle, though it was payback for screwing with his reputation. He's got both his organization and Namshiel
* Svartalves won't be happy to find Thomas missing.
* Cowl and Vittorio won't be pleased that Harry screwed over their genocide of the White Court.
* The LaChaise clan of ghouls is itching for payback
* Demonreach is hiding things from Harry.
* The various White Court vampires he beat up are not going to be happy about the marriage.
* Lucifer will be mad he escaped the murder attempts.
* Nemesis and other Outsiders won't be pleased that he shoved their plans where the sun doesn't shine, again
* Shadow is after Maggie
* White Council members might make things more difficult.
* Murphy's family, especially her mom may blame him for her being missing.
* There is a possibility that that the Red Court's assassin couple Eebs survived the purge due to being in Erlking's prison.
* Some Chicago citizens may not like him either - some like Rudolph blaming him, let alone bastards like Caine and Burt Decker
* The law enforcement outside of SI including Library of Congress may come for him
* Larry Fowler is still sending him lawsuits 🤣😂
* Of course, Erlking still plans to hunt him down one day
* The Fomor and King Corb would want revenge as well
* Evil Bob is out there somewhere in Nevernever
* Shagnasty is still at large, though he might not come back

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
JB seems to have been setting Harry up for the biggest torture ever.
There is [[spoiler:
* Ursiel - Genowska escaping Hades. There is quite a bit of chance that Hannah - Lasciel escaped too.
* Mavra came back along with her boss trying to kidnap Harry along others.
* Nicodemus is still out there.
* Listen has escaped as usual
* Marcone won't be pleased with him stealing the castle, though it was payback for screwing with his reputation. He's got both his organization and Namshiel
* Svartalves won't be happy to find Thomas missing.
* Cowl and Vittorio won't be pleased that Harry screwed over their genocide of the White Court.
* The LaChaise clan of ghouls is itching for payback
* Demonreach is hiding things from Harry.
* The various White Court vampires he beat up are not going to be happy about the marriage.
* Lucifer will be mad he escaped the murder attempts.
* Nemesis and other Outsiders won't be pleased that he shoved their plans where the sun doesn't shine, again
* Shadow is after Maggie
* White Council members might make things more difficult.
* Murphy's family, especially her mom may blame him for her being missing.
* There is a possibility that that the Red Court's assassin couple Eebs survived the purge due to being in Erlking's prison.
* Some Chicago citizens may not like him either - some like Rudolph blaming him, let alone bastards like Caine and Burt Decker
* The law enforcement outside of SI including Library of Congress may come for him
* Larry Fowler is still sending him lawsuits 🤣😂
* Of course, Erlking still plans to hunt him down one day
* The Fomor and King Corb would want revenge as well
* Evil Bob is out there somewhere in Nevernever
* Shagnasty is still at large, though he might not come back

Well, IIRC, Butcher has joked that he's built his career upon torturing Harry lol.

Moral of the story, snark does not pay.

Though now that I think about it, from a purely financial and property aspect, Harry is not in the worst position after the last few novels.

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He has a fort/castle. He might as well own Demonreach. He should still have some diamonds stashed, unless I missed something somewhere. He has the backing of Winter and soon likely the financial backing of House Raith. Only L he's taken there is no more Warden salary now that he got booted from the WC. But overall, he should be pretty secure in the financial department.

Actually all Dresden forums are betting on how he is going to lose all that and become even poorer.

And on an unrelated note, I am seriously tired of those online feminists criticizing Jim Butcher of sexist and misogynistic writing.

Harry stares at woman and goes la la la because he is extremely sexually repressed and never had an actual mother figure in his life. Frankly, almost every hero in Dresden files save few have very little romantic or sexual adventures because of work and have inferiority complexes - of course they will stare. Like Murphy who was forced to abandon everything feminine to be taken seriously.

The stuffed into fridge can happen with male characters too and these femnazis wouldn't bat an eye.

Plus no one ever has mentioned that every time Dresden was called chauvinist, while for a joke, was a Straw feminist reaction

Him losing everything again would be kind of silly IMO, as the "Harry is always poor" meme is a bit stale by now as far as I'm concerned.

And, in my experience, the loudest and most obnoxious critics tend to be ones who have the least understanding of the content in question. Anyone who actually reads the novels properly can tell Harry's reaction to women is due to his extremely screwed up upbringing and the resulting mental trauma he suffered. And we even see some of the female characters scope out the guys (like Molly with Carlos) when stories are written from their POV. But that kind of obnoxious ignorance doesn't just count for The Dresden Files. It often tends to be that way in general.

And the fridging criticism is especially stupid. Characters like

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Thomas
get that kind of treatment all the time.

One example of the above mentioned idiots
https://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2013/07/the-dresden-files-who-isnt-sex-object.html

I mean, they seemed to have read the books with an agenda in mind. Harry has NEVER described Murphy sexually except in a dream. Molly is crushing hard on him and is constantly shown to be displaying herself to him so he notices and feels guilty every time. Elaine, Luccio and Susan are his girlfriends or exes he used to be quite intimate with, so of course he isvgoingbto notice.