Last I checked (not recently) Lucas used different levels of canon. Anyway..
Movie Vader looses badly.
Expanded universe Vader can put up quite a fight but still looses in a featureless envivorment. (providing the armor`s psychic defenses can block someone like Vader)
Jedi never found an effective counter to the trade federation droideka destroyer droids which are << Iron Man. Luke and Mara Jade together struggeled with only one of them.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Last I checked (not recently) Lucas used different levels of canon. Anyway..Movie Vader looses badly.
Expanded universe Vader can put up quite a fight but still looses in a featureless envivorment.Jedi never found an effective counter to the trade federation droideka destroyer droids which are >> Iron Man. Luke and Mara Jade together struggeled with only one of them.
The way it works is that the EU is canon unless explicitly contradicted by higher canon.
G-canon (highest canon) = movies, movie novelizations, screenplays, and radio dramas
T-canon = Clone Wars cartoons and the planned live action TV series
C-canon = Novels, comics, video game plots (not game mechanics), etc.
S-canon = Old stuff made before continuity was enforced, and miscellaneous odds and ends
N-canon = Not canon at all. Such as Infinities comics (basically What-If?s), deleted scenes, canceled projects, etc.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The way it works is that the EU is canon unless explicitly contradicted by higher canon.G-canon (highest canon) = movies, movie novelizations, screenplays, and radio dramas
T-canon = Clone Wars cartoons and the planned live action TV series
C-canon = Novels, comics, video game plots (not game mechanics), etc.
S-canon = Old stuff made before continuity was enforced, and miscellaneous odds and ends
N-canon = Not canon at all. Such as Infinities comics (basically What-If?s), deleted scenes, canceled projects, etc.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Last I checked (not recently) Lucas used different levels of canon. Anyway..Movie Vader looses badly.
Expanded universe Vader can put up quite a fight but still looses in a featureless envivorment. (providing the armor`s psychic defenses can block someone like Vader)Jedi never found an effective counter to the trade federation droideka destroyer droids which are << Iron Man. Luke and Mara Jade together struggeled with only one of them.
Could classic red and gold Iron Man erect a forcefield?
This is why cross-genre matches are so difficult. There is far more knowledge of the comic character than the non-comic character, so the majority will always side with them in a non-stomp match. Then there will be a few on each side that just irrationally support one genre. And a select few that actually know both characters well and can analyze the match without marginalizing either one to only 1-2 attacks or possibilities.
Most of the other genres in these matches I know very little about. SW is not one of those however, and I can claim a fairly nuanced knowledge of both of these people, including EU appearances for Vader (which, yes, I count).
Tony would have the first strike, and it could be a brutal one. But assuming Vader survives the initial assault, he does possess the tools with which to win. Using all of his telepathic, telekinetic, lightning powers, etc. intelligently, in conjunction with the limited pre-cog that the Force provides him and a degree of super speed and strength, he could harass Tony, cause some damage, and try to force the match into melee range via his tk, at which point Vader would have the advantage because lightsaber > armor and his pre-cog could have him dodging most if not all of Tony's blows.
Still, IM for the majority, only because that would take time and wouldn't be easy to pull off with Tony attacking continuously. I'll say 7/10.
Also, slightly off-topic, Mshinu, a non-jobbing Luke wrecks any kind of battle droid. One low showing does not an argument make.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankGeorge Lucas is essentially TOAA of the Star Wars universe. His word is ALL. That's why the movies/TV shows represent the highest form of canonicity possible in Star Wars -- because GL himself personally directs, and/or oversees them. The next form of canonicity are the novels and comics. As long as they are not contradicted by on screen happenings, they are good as gold. So yes, you are correct in saying that EU material is canon.
The Expanded Universe is canon, though. Galan or someone else would know much better than I, but the EU is just as canon as the movies are.
As for this match, I am siding with Vader. He's got pre-cog, very durable force-shielding, and off-the-charts TK on his side. This essentially means that Vader will know every move Tony is going to make before he makes it -- he will be able to shield himself against Tony's offensive blasts -- and most importantly, Vader can crush Tony with the twitch of a finger.
Originally posted by Galan007
Vader can crush Tony with the twitch of a finger.
I think that's overstating it, but your point is valid. Vader's far from the most impressive Jedi out there feats-wise. If this were Luke, for example, I'd be giving him 9/10, with the 10th just being a fluke because Tony does have the firepower to kill these guys.
Originally posted by DigiConsidering that for the purposes of this match, Tony will be outfitted in his classic armor, I don't think I was overstating things in the slightest. After all, Vader once used his TK to pulverize a chunk of Mandalorian Iron (which is one of the most durable materials in the SWU) with seeming ease... Now if this were one of Tony's more recent armors, then I still do think Vader could ravage it -- just not with the same degree of ease.
I think that's overstating it, but your point is valid. Vader's far from the most impressive Jedi out there feats-wise. If this were Luke, for example, I'd be giving him 9/10, with the 10th just being a fluke because Tony does have the firepower to kill these guys.
...And I agree with your Luke statement, fo sho. 👆
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What I want to know is if Darth Vader could block a repulsor ray.
with lightsaber no doubt
without it i say maybe....is the replusor going to be contently firing or just one blast?
he deflected Hans blaster bolt with out a lightsaber.
so maybe if he focused hard enough he could but idk if he would win the fight afterward.
so yes i think he could but at the cost of the fight.
Imo i think he should just dodge and go for the win.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
with lightsaber no doubtwithout it i say maybe....is the replusor going to be contently firing or just one blast?
he deflected Hans blaster bolt with out a lightsaber.
so maybe if he focused hard enough he could but idk if he would win the fight afterward.
so yes i think he could but at the cost of the fight.
Imo i think he should just dodge and go for the win.
repulsor ray = concussive force
I could see Tony knocking the lightsaber out of Vader's hands, tbh.
Obi-Wan deflected blaster fire with his hand in the cartoon, by the way 🙂