Goku vs. anyone

Originally posted by carver9
I see it like this... whoever can't beat monarch ain't beating a person like frieza or a super saiyan goku. Monarch powers is similar to a dbz character (except he doesn't have their speed) and these peeps have shown far more destructive power than him and has also tanked far more power than what he has dished out.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
For comparing Frieza to Monarch you Phail for life.

What level would monarch be placed?Mid-high skyfather?

The only character I see as being able to put up a fight against him is Gogeta SS4.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
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What level would monarch be placed?Mid-high skyfather?

The only character I see as being able to put up a fight against him is Gogeta SS4.

He is not a sky father... he isn't versatile enough. Odin would WRECK him. What is monarch powers? He destroy sh** with powerful blast and he have high end durability. That's not a skyfather if you ask me.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
For comparing Frieza to Monarch you Phail for life.

Did I say that frieza could beat monarch... what I said was "they are similar". Monarch durability is on another level just like friezas speed vs monarch is on a different level.

Monarch existence came from a dbz character. Read what the creator say about the first person he thought about which gave him the idea of monarch.

Originally posted by carver9
Did I say that frieza could beat monarch... what I said was "they are similar". Monarch durability is on another level just like friezas speed vs monarch is on a different level.

Monarch existence came from a dbz character. Read what the creator say about the first person he thought about which gave him the idea of monarch.

Can't think of anyone that looks even remotely the same.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Who?

Can't think of anyone that looks even remotely the same.

He wasn't built to look like frieza but it entire purpose and creation was built around frieza.... hell, he even tried to get recruits like frieza (the ginyu force). His entire background was based off of the character and again, going by on panel showings, frieza has demonstrated far more power than monarch at his weakest.

monarch and frieza both were built around not having a single threat in the universe. Hell, he flew a in a ship that was similar to frieza ship. His entire surrounding was based off of frieza, including that scene where he destroyed a continent with a mere blast which is what frieza did at 1% of his power. I like monarch better though because his character was more ruthless.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't built to look like frieza but it entire purpose and creation was built around frieza.... hell, he even tried to get recruits like frieza (the ginyu force). His entire background was based off of the character and again, going by on panel showings, frieza has demonstrated far more power than monarch at his weakest.

monarch and frieza both were built around not having a single threat in the universe. Hell, he flew a in a ship that was similar to frieza ship. His entire surrounding was based off of frieza, including that scene where he destroyed a continent with a mere blast which is what frieza did at 1% of his power. I like monarch better though because his character was more ruthless.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
😆 at monarch being more ruthless then freiza.

IMO he is more ruthless. Frieza play around too much. Frieza could have killed piccolo, goku, gohun and the entire namek race at any time but he didn't... he played around with his meat which caused him to lose. Monarch went straight for the kill.

Originally posted by carver9
IMO he is more ruthless. Frieza play around too much. Frieza could have killed piccolo, goku, gohun and the entire namek race at any time but he didn't... he played around with his meat which caused him to lose. Monarch went straight for the kill.

Freiza was having fun killing them slowly.IMO that makes him even more ruthless because he takes away their hope showings them never had a chance and then he kills then for fun.And I believed freiza when he said he would eat krillan.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
That doesn't make him more ruthless.

Freiza was having fun killing them slowly.IMO that makes him even more ruthless because he takes away their hope showings them never had a chance and then he kills then for fun.And I believed freiza when he said he would eat krillan.

I just see monarch as being more ruthless. If monarch had frieza power, he would have shedded planets any time that he could. There would have been no earth if monarch had frieza power. Hell, our solar system would have been empty due to monarch rage.

Originally posted by carver9
I see it like this... whoever can't beat monarch ain't beating a person like frieza or a super saiyan goku. Monarch powers is similar to a dbz character (except he doesn't have their speed) and these peeps have shown far more destructive power than him and has also tanked far more power than what he has dished out.

Sorry Carver, but Monarch has similar power with DBZ characters? Dude, you know that Monarch possessed an energy that would destroy a universe while there's no universe buster in DBZ. The difference is very big. Can I have your explanation about this?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Sorry Carver, but Monarch has similar power with DBZ characters? Dude, you know that Monarch possessed an energy that would destroy a universe while there's no universe buster in DBZ. The difference is very big. Can I have your explanation about this?

He had energy inside of him CONTAINED that could destroy the universe if his suit was ruptured but he never demonstrated that typed of power when he was blasting his opponents. His highes blasting feat was destroying a continent with a mere blast which was beastly imo but it still wasn't dbz power. Kind of like marv-ell, he was a beast and I'm pretty sure he could destroy a planet but he never showed this on panel whereas during his death, his energy from his death almost wiped the solar system clean.

I can't see monarch shooting a universal destroying blast just like I can't see marvel shooting a solar system destroying blast.

Monarch contained energy was what destroyed the universe and we can't apply this to a dbz character because they don't have the same type of energy or stored power like monarch, all of their ability comes from ki.

Originally posted by carver9
I just see monarch as being more ruthless. If monarch had frieza power, he would have shedded planets any time that he could. There would have been no earth if monarch had frieza power. Hell, our solar system would have been empty due to monarch rage.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
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What is so funny?

Originally posted by carver9
What is so funny?

I mean it took a lot of freizas energy to blow up nameks core.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
AT monarch getting freizas power and not the other way around.

I mean it took a lot of freizas energy to blow up nameks core.

No. In fact, Freeza hold back when he destroyed Namek's core. He destroyed planet Vegeta while he sat on the chair with the energy from one finger and I'm talking about his 1st form. We all know Freeza final form is far stronger than his 1st form...

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
No. In fact, Freeza hold back when he destroyed Namek's core. He destroyed planet Vegeta while he sat on the chair with the energy from one finger and I'm talking about his 1st form. We all know Freeza final form is far stronger than his 1st form...

And monarch still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>freiza

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
No. In fact, Freeza hold back when he destroyed Namek's core. He destroyed planet Vegeta while he sat on the chair with the energy from one finger and I'm talking about his 1st form. We all know Freeza final form is far stronger than his 1st form...

Though based on comments from Freeza, he likely did destroy Planet Vegeta in his first form.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's actually only from the movie, never in the manga.

Though based on comments from Freeza, he likely did destroy Planet Vegeta in his first form.

That's the only movie approved by Akira Toriyama himself. So yeah, we can consider it canon since Akira Toriyama approved it and we don't have an actual scene about what happened in manga.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know he could have destroyed it if he wanted.But it still took him a lot of energy.

And monarch still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>freiza

Freeza final form with a lot of power >>>>>> Freeza 1st form with little effort. It's not really hard to understand that right?

Oh, and I agreed about the second statement.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know he could have destroyed it if he wanted.But it still took him a lot of energy.

And monarch still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>freiza

Duuh... the spirit bomb took all of his energy, of course he couldnt destroy namek, he didn't have the energy. He even admits this when he rose from the dust (that stupid ball took all of my energy to escape).

Frieza display far more power than monarch but due to monarch durabilty, I would give him the nods any day of the week against frieza but if I had to chose between who is more powerful, I would say final form frieza.