Originally posted by NemeBro
And he's taken much greater than what Goku can dish out. Go figure.
Yes and that is why we go by normal showings and normal showings still have him getting dropped by goku in no time. This year haven't been a good year for superman besides the gl and him moving the planet. Besides that, the rest have been nothing but low showings and I can't even remember a speed feat from him that is worth putting on even krillins level.
Originally posted by carver9
Not one shotted but he will get stomped imo. Like I said b4 he has fallen to far worse than what goku can dish out in the span of a second and I'm not even referring to black hair goku.
Goku, while in Super Saiyan form, got hurt by a rock thrown by Krillen. Superman would stomp him.
It doesn't make sense to rely solely on low feats for either[i/] character. Why do you keep doing it for Superman?[i]Originally posted by carver9
Yes and that is why we go by normal showings and normal showings still have him getting dropped by goku in no time. This year haven't been a good year for superman besides the gl and him moving the planet. Besides that, the rest have been nothing but low showings and I can't even remember a speed feat from him that is worth putting on even krillins level.
You were just saying to take the first 200 post crisis issues, but now you want to restrict Superman to just this year.
With all due respect, that rhetoric is why many don't give your views much credence. I'm not one to mock people usually. I'm just pointing it out.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The logic isn't a good way to go about it though.Goku, while in Super Saiyan form, got hurt by a rock thrown by Krillen. Superman would stomp him.
It doesn't make sense to rely solely on low feats for either character. Why do you keep doing it for Superman?
Sorry but it's only a filler.
And I don't understand why some people are using this as a reference to downplay Goku even though it's only a filler.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I thought carver9 went by the anime, so I used that as an example.
You can use the anime but I am pretty sure that part was for comedy, especially since cell fist>a rock and especially with the fact that kid goku was punched a couple of feat through the ground and even punched through buildings and suffered no damage at all. My point about this year is that he isn't a consistent character whereas everything about goku is on point. You all are basing your jugdement by nothing but high showings whereas goku normal showings still keep him at beast level. Hell the weakest form of goku tanked nukes, tanked being punched through buildings, stepped on by 80 ft tall giant with super strength... and have feats that proves that's he is faster than roshi who have nano second speed feats.
Originally posted by iceman24567
carvers way of debating = low balling Goku was also hurt by lava
Goku had no damage when the lava hit him... frieza said that goku was playing around butv the thing that contradicts your statement is that goku was punched inside of lava by frieza and flew out with no damage at all.
Superman has taken more than Goku can dish -a black hole-.
Superman has been koed by less -I assume? I don't recall many examples but there have to be some, comics are, afterall fixed around a particular plot- than Goku can dish.
This means Goku can ko Superman, not that he would do it. (I don't mean this to exclude the possibility of Goku winning, just trying to find the logical consequence)
Do we all agree in this much?
It's just my opinion and I don't want to make any debate. You can have your own opinion but this is what I thought.
Nuke, high-intensity lightning powered by the whole city, spaceship laser plasma cannons can hurt Superman and stunned him, but it takes way more than that to kill him. And those blasts that spaceships & robots have to charge for a minute to stun Superman is weaker than the kind of blast Freeza can fling out with his finger anytime he wants. And as I said before, you can have your opinion. Solomon Grundy can KO Superman and I don't see why Goku couldn't.
Originally posted by Bentley
Superman has taken more than Goku can dish -a black hole-.Superman has been koed by less -I assume? I don't recall many examples but there have to be some, comics are, afterall fixed around a particular plot- than Goku can dish.
This means Goku can ko Superman, not that he would do it. (I don't mean this to exclude the possibility of Goku winning, just trying to find the logical consequence)
Do we all agree in this much?
Yes, superman has amazing showings but when it comes to FIGHTS superman doesn't perform on the level that goku performs at. He can't take what goku can take in one fight and this is pretty much common sense. Goku punching power if we go by "feats" is far greater than grundy, konvikt, hell, his punching power is greater than despero.
Hell, buu and goku punched each other so hard that it first created an explosion and then it basically leveled the entire area that they were fighting in which resulted in the ground creating large size mountains and hills. It destroyed the population and you want to know something, that punch did nothing to them.
Originally posted by BentleyYep
Superman has taken more than Goku can dish -a black hole-.Superman has been koed by less -I assume? I don't recall many examples but there have to be some, comics are, afterall fixed around a particular plot- than Goku can dish.
This means Goku can ko Superman, not that he would do it. (I don't mean this to exclude the possibility of Goku winning, just trying to find the logical consequence)
Do we all agree in this much?
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, superman has amazing showings but when it comes to FIGHTS superman doesn't perform on the level that goku performs at. He can't take what goku can take in one fight and this is pretty much common sense. Goku punching power if we go by "feats" is far greater than grundy, konvikt, hell, his punching power is greater than despero.Hell, buu and goku punched each other so hard that it first created an explosion and then it basically leveled the entire area that they were fighting in which resulted in the ground creating large size mountains and hills. It destroyed the population and you want to know something, that punch did nothing to them.
You really didn't even have to go as far as saying frieza... nappa power is far more powerful than any ship that has stunned superman. The worst thing for any marvel or dc earth base being to do is fight a dbz character... the slightest mistake or move could level the city or even the planet that the person is trying to protect. Many being on marvel or dc earth do not have the showings of stopping planet destroying attacks like dbz characters does so that hero is either going to have to take the blast head on (which I could see dropping them) to protect their planet or just let the planet explode and even then they will suffer damage.
Nappa alone would be an "a" class villian with just a lift of his hand and even then it really wouldn't take away from his power. That's not even including his durability or strength. This is the same guy that was physically crushing the army in seconds... they couldn't even touch him.
DBZ and u.s. comics are just to different. A regular hero can go all out in a city environment with people standing around watching... dbz characters can't do this- even nappa was creating whirlwinds by swinging his arms and enough energy from his body that would power a city. Frieza blew a kiss and eliminated some of the most powerful beings on the planet, again, with just a kiss.
Originally posted by carver9
You really didn't even have to go as far as saying frieza... nappa power is far more powerful than any ship that has stunned superman. The worst thing for any marvel or dc earth base being to do is fight a dbz character... the slightest mistake or move could level the city or even the planet that the person is trying to protect. Many being on marvel or dc earth do not have the showings of stopping planet destroying attacks like dbz characters does so that hero is either going to have to take the blast head on (which I could see dropping them) to protect their planet or just let the planet explode and even then they will suffer damage.Nappa alone would be an "a" class villian with just a lift of his hand and even then it really wouldn't take away from his power. That's not even including his durability or strength. This is the same guy that was physically crushing the army in seconds... they couldn't even touch him.
DBZ and u.s. comics are just to different. A regular hero can go all out in a city environment with people standing around watching... dbz characters can't do this- even nappa was creating whirlwinds by swinging his arms and enough energy from his body that would power a city. Frieza blew a kiss and eliminated some of the most powerful beings on the planet, again, with just a kiss.
It seems you pushed a wrong quote button. That's for my statement right?
Re: Goku vs. anyone
Originally posted by metlspazYou don't read comics do you?
I've come to put an end to the feud of Goku fighting someone.
Honestly there is no character that can challenge him, save those from the DBZ universe.Theory 1:
Goku vs. SupermanI Have heard the argument countless times, and I'm a fan of both characters, however superman (whether 1million, or whatever) has no chance in heaven or hell to beat Goku. Even with a PIS, the closest superman could get to this is if Goku got hungry and forfeited, so a TKO is the closest Superman would come to beating Goku. Goku could literally rip off supermans d*** and force feed it to him. superman can put a dent in a planet...yipee, Goku can look at a planet and it disappears, PRESTO.
Oh and the thing about Superman taking Goku into space? HA. Without knowing it, goku could breathe in space since he was a saiyin. Vegeta proved this when he went training in space and was fine. So that ends that.Theory 3 (last)
Goku vs. Marvel/DC UniversesThis is pretty much self explanatory as most of the superheroes are base human beings with a little extra strength. Goku's almost infinte strength would handle that. and in terms of speed. Goku is faster than gotenks who flew around the world 12 times in 2 seconds. this exceeds the speed of lightning and is close to the speed of light. Plus his instant transmission is faster even so than that! faster than light, its pretty much INSTANT! And Goku swings his fists so fast that rocks in the surrounding area would disintegrate.
I don't have the energy to waste on describing each hero in here as there are way too many, but it doesn't matter what they control, be it time, space, or God, Goku cant be hurt by any normal means, plus he has spent his whole life training, just training, no job or anything else for that matter. Scratch that, he cant even be beat by abnormal means. Guren Lagann doesn't even stand a chance >.>
Come up with an arguement if you want, but you will pretty much be wrong. Because all these characters could team up and still lose, merely because Goku could destroy galaxies at a time. He could destroy the marvel, dc and anime universes all at the same time. Plus his power only grows with each fight, and he became immortal at the end of DBGT, so he will pretty much always win.
THE END.
There are many many comic characters that would single-handildly stomp goku.
Re: Re: Goku vs. anyone
Originally posted by Black bolt z
You don't read comics do you?There are many many comic characters that would single-handildly stomp goku.
I see it like this... whoever can't beat monarch ain't beating a person like frieza or a super saiyan goku. Monarch powers is similar to a dbz character (except he doesn't have their speed) and these peeps have shown far more destructive power than him and has also tanked far more power than what he has dished out.