Originally posted by quanchi112Not having limits doesn't prove you are a peer. Think again. You are only a peer when your strength matches, not when it is variable. Also the fallacy of your reasoning can shown below:
They don't have limits basically while Superman does coupled with their strength feats does make a case. Superman has a limit to his strength while the Hulk does not. Surfer's limits also exceed Superman's due to the power cosmic.
Thanos overpowered Hulk, a peer in strength of Superman, thus he is stronger than Superman. So if Thanos overpowered a Hulk who was at the 500ton level at the time then he can overpower Superman who is at the quintillion ton level. This is clearly false.
Face it you contradicted yourself and is trying to get out of it. You are worst than me. So don't ever talk to me like a Hypocrite.
Also Hulk has limits on his strength since he is mortal. The most strength he can possibly gain is the definite integral of R(t)*t*dt from 0 to T where T is his life span which is finite.
Originally posted by h1a8You are just throwing random numbers at me again. Thanos is a lot stronger than the Hulk unlike Superman imo.
Not having limits doesn't prove you are a peer. Think again. You are only a peer when your strength matches, not when it is variable. Also the fallacy of your reasoning can shown below:Thanos overpowered Hulk, a peer in strength of Superman, thus he is stronger than Superman. So if Thanos overpowered a Hulk who was at the 500ton level at the time then he can overpower Superman who is at the quintillion ton level. This is clearly false.
Face it you contradicted yourself and is trying to get out of it. You are worst than me. So don't ever talk to me like a Hypocrite.
Also Hulk has limits on his strength since he is mortal. The most strength he can possibly gain is the definite integral of R(t)*t*dt from 0 to T where T is his life span which is finite.
Being a mortal or immortal has nothing to do with strength. Some of the stuff you say makes no sense and the random numbers you attach makes no sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112Ok here's something more simpler.
You are just throwing random numbers at me again. Thanos is a lot stronger than the Hulk unlike Superman imo.Being a mortal or immortal has nothing to do with strength. Some of the stuff you say makes no sense and the random numbers you attach makes no sense.
Distance equals Rate X Time. But by both Rate and Time being finite proves Distance (or Strength) can never be infinite. And that proves there exists an upper bound for the Distance (or Strength).
Also Hulk's strength is variable. It is faulty to say that so and so is stronger than the Hulk when Hulk can possibly get stronger than them and it may not be known how strong the Hulk is at a given time.
Any feats against the Hulk are inconclusive since we can't know what level Hulk was operating at.
With that said, watch your contradictions from now on.
Not sure why I bother with you h1a8 but I will give you another chance... Answer these questions...
1. Is it not true that most bad guys DON'T have lifting feats to quantify their strength? Generally heroes do but villians don't correct? Hopefully you're honest and agree since this is a fact and common knowledge. Now, being that this is the case... How can you compare Thanos to Superman based on feats that Thanos or other villians won't and don't have? You can't right? Yet you're doing just that which is faulty.
2. Would you not agree that Hulk as very comparable strength feats to Superman? Thor does as well but lets just focus on The Hulk. He certainly does, and of course he does, he's a hero. Now, you try and say Hulks strength is variable.. and while true, it's a fallacy because of how you present it. There are a variety of Hulk.. some a little different than others. Yet when Thanos mocked his strength we know which Hulk that was... we know of some impressive strength feats he has.... you would also agree he was angry in the scene in question right? he wasn't reading a book.. he was pissed off at Thanos and engaging him ALONG with the thing who also has decent strength feats. All facts. Yet, the writer was very clear to illustrate that Thanos was vastly superior to them in strength and spelled it out in black and white for all to see. "You call yourself strong... I'm strength personified as he is smacking both their heads togeher at the same time. This couldn't be more clear and happens all the time with Thanos and heroes... He treats them like weak feebs... This to you doesn't show strength?
3. Superman has never one shot a planet... never... All Thanos did was wrestle with Drax and have their arms locked in a wrestling match. The force they were excerting against one another.. blow up the planet. Drax was KO'd... Thanos was just fine. That does show an incredible amount of strength?
Please address these points as I'm curious what you'll say.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThat shows that Thanos was around the same strengtha s Drax who was around the same strength as Hulk. Thanos smacked Hulk around because he's a better fighter and has much denser skin. The same reas Drax was Ko'and Thanos was not.
Not sure why I bother with you h1a8 but I will give you another chance... Answer these questions...1. Is it not true that most bad guys DON'T have lifting feats to quantify their strength? Generally heroes do but villians don't correct? Hopefully you're honest and agree since this is a fact and common knowledge. Now, being that this is the case... How can you compare Thanos to Superman based on feats that Thanos or other villians won't and don't have? You can't right? Yet you're doing just that which is faulty.
2. Would you not agree that Hulk as very comparable strength feats to Superman? Thor does as well but lets just focus on The Hulk. He certainly does, and of course he does, he's a hero. Now, you try and say Hulks strength is variable.. and while true, it's a fallacy because of how you present it. There are a variety of Hulk.. some a little different than others. Yet when Thanos mocked his strength we know which Hulk that was... we know of some impressive strength feats he has.... you would also agree he was angry in the scene in question right? he wasn't reading a book.. he was pissed off at Thanos and engaging him ALONG with the thing who also has decent strength feats. All facts. Yet, the writer was very clear to illustrate that Thanos was vastly superior to them in strength and spelled it out in black and white for all to see. "You call yourself strong... I'm strength personified as he is smacking both their heads togeher at the same time. This couldn't be more clear and happens all the time with Thanos and heroes... He treats them like weak feebs... This to you doesn't show strength?
3. Superman has never one shot a planet... never... All Thanos did was wrestle with Drax and have their arms locked in a wrestling match. The force they were excerting against one another.. blow up the planet. Drax was KO'd... Thanos was just fine. That does show an incredible amount of strength?
Please address these points as I'm curious what you'll say.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
That shows that Thanos was around the same strengtha s Drax who was around the same strength as Hulk. Thanos smacked Hulk around because he's a better fighter and has much denser skin. The same reas Drax was Ko'and Thanos was not.
WUT???? You're talking about harder skin with all I wrote... Jesus Fangirl, I thought you had improved since leaving. How on God's Green Earth does it show that Thanos was around the same strength as Hulk and Drax? He was MOCKING their strength.. Do you know what mocking means? The writer was even more clear for people like you and h1a8... "you call yourselves strong...I'm strength personified" now you would agree that the writer was clearly pointing out to the audience that Thanos is clearly stronger than the Hulk and the Thing combined right? We know how strong Hulk is.. yet Thanos treated him like a weak feeb, and to you, this doesn't speak towards Thanos strength. For Gods sake Pak and long established Hulk writer said that Thanos was in his own strength tier when comparing him to the character he loved writing.. The Hulk. How more clear can this be. Thanos doesn't need lifting feats to prove he's strong.. the writers lay it out even for the slowest of people he's in another league than Hulk, Thor, SS, Drax, Herc etc etc
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not sure why I bother with you h1a8 but I will give you another chance... Answer these questions...1. Is it not true that most bad guys DON'T have lifting feats to quantify their strength? Generally heroes do but villians don't correct? Hopefully you're honest and agree since this is a fact and common knowledge. Now, being that this is the case... How can you compare Thanos to Superman based on feats that Thanos or other villians won't and don't have? You can't right? Yet you're doing just that which is faulty.
2. Would you not agree that Hulk as very comparable strength feats to Superman? Thor does as well but lets just focus on The Hulk. He certainly does, and of course he does, he's a hero. Now, you try and say Hulks strength is variable.. and while true, it's a fallacy because of how you present it. There are a variety of Hulk.. some a little different than others. Yet when Thanos mocked his strength we know which Hulk that was... we know of some impressive strength feats he has.... you would also agree he was angry in the scene in question right? he wasn't reading a book.. he was pissed off at Thanos and engaging him ALONG with the thing who also has decent strength feats. All facts. Yet, the writer was very clear to illustrate that Thanos was vastly superior to them in strength and spelled it out in black and white for all to see. "You call yourself strong... I'm strength personified as he is smacking both their heads togeher at the same time. This couldn't be more clear and happens all the time with Thanos and heroes... He treats them like weak feebs... This to you doesn't show strength?
3. Superman has never one shot a planet... never... All Thanos did was wrestle with Drax and have their arms locked in a wrestling match. The force they were excerting against one another.. blow up the planet. Drax was KO'd... Thanos was just fine. That does show an incredible amount of strength?
Please address these points as I'm curious what you'll say.
1. Lifting feats aren't the only evidence to strength. Many feats can be used. Pulling feats, feats against planets, etc.
2. Hulk being angry still doesn't prove anything. Hulk can be very very pissed and his strength is still less than 10,000 tons. I always accept the true Marvel's and original Stan Lee's definition of Hulk, "Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular." Of course there are outliers (PIS times) such as with Spider-man. But for a majority Hulk never exceeds 100,000 tons in strength. This is shown in the many times he was beaten by or went toe to toe for awhile with beings in that territory.
When I say Hulk is variable I assume in the theory (not mine) that his strength depends on two factors, stress level and randomness. For example, he can get a little angry and be over 1million tons or he can be very angry and be less than 10,000 tons.
3. I have to view the feat again. I'll go to the respect thread. If both Thanos and Drax did it purely physically (no energy protruding from them helping them out) then I would have to say that Thanos is at least as strong as Superman.
But Superman has feats that probably top this though.
He punches so hard that he's altering dimensions. He exerts more than 50 Earth weights of force, several times. Note: It takes less force than the weight of a planet to destroy the planet. Superman also quoted that he can one-shot planets. I don't consider quotes in comics as evidence unless it is backed up some way. Superman's other feats (the ones I mentioned) verify this. But to be diplomatic if the Thanos planet feat is valid then I'll accept him being stronger (but not by much).
3. Was your best argument. Good job!
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Lifting feats aren't the only evidence to strength. Many feats can be used. Pulling feats, feats against planets, etc.2. Hulk being angry still doesn't prove anything. Hulk can be very very pissed and his strength is still less than 10,000 tons. I always accept the true Marvel's and original Stan Lee's definition of Hulk, "Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular." Of course there are outliers (PIS times) such as with Spider-man. But for a majority Hulk never exceeds 100,000 tons in strength. This is shown in the many times he was beaten by or went toe to toe for awhile with beings in that territory.
When I say Hulk is variable I assume in the theory (not mine) that his strength depends on two factors, stress level and randomness. For example, he can get a little angry and be over 1million tons or he can be very angry and be less than 10,000 tons.
3. I have to view the feat again. I'll go to the respect thread. If both Thanos and Drax did it purely physically (no energy protruding from them helping them out) then I would have to say that Thanos is at least as strong as Superman.
But Superman has feats that probably top this though.
He punches so hard that he's altering dimensions. He exerts more than 50 Earth weights of force, several times. Note: It takes less force than the weight of a planet to destroy the planet. Superman also quoted that he can one-shot planets. I don't consider quotes in comics as evidence unless it is backed up some way. Superman's other feats (the ones I mentioned) verify this. But to be diplomatic if the Thanos planet feat is valid then I'll accept him being stronger (but not by much).3. Was your best argument. Good job!
Ummmmmm again you never addressed my point…. Is it not true that villains won't have lifting feats, pulling feats etc etc. Simple question.. is this not generally true?
Next, what is your proof that when Hulk gets angry his strength varies that much… We've seen him one shot planets, we've seen him punch through dimensional barries, we've seen him hold two separate infinite mass objects, we've seen him hold up mountain ranges.. etc etc… Point being, when he gets angry this is what he can do. You can't use him not knocking out people right away when he's angry as proof of anything… Wanna know why… 1. Cause then there would be no plot if he walked around one shotting Thor, Juggs etc etc.. They have to fight.. Further he's punching someone who has a variety of healing powers, durability and strength of their own.. not a solid mass with no healing properties. To go further… superman is so strong, and yet, just like hulk rarely ever one shots anybody he EVER faces. So then by your theory.. superman is anywhere between 10 tons to 1 billion tons.. then going further using your logic… I'll just call him a 10 tonner when I see fit…. Do you see how illogical that is and stupid. Superman is always that strong just as Hulk when he is angry is always that strong. Just because they don't always do the high end feats we've seen them do, doesn't mean they are as variable as you're making them out to be. When Superman gets pissed and buckles down he gets the job done.. just like when Hulk gets angry and pissed he gets the job done. That is how it work.. you can't keep on using ur self serving logic all the time. If so, then I'll just call superman a 10 tonner since he doesn't knock out anybody in one shot all the time. Doesn't do high end lifting/pulling feats all the time. Now that we've established that Hulk isn't as variable as you're making him out to be… Please address the feat in question.. Hulk was angry and pissed. Fact. The Thing who also has good lifting feats was there as well. He mocked them and made them look like weak feebs.. would you agree? Now what does that say about Thanos strength?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThey have some type of feats, otherwise how would we know if they are stronger. CA beats beings far stronger than him due to speed and skill (same as with Spidey). So using fights alone doesn't tell us who is stronger.
Ummmmmm again you never addressed my point…. Is it not true that villains won't have lifting feats, pulling feats etc etc. Simple question.. is this not generally true?
You proved my point. Those feats are rare and inbetween. Hulk has thousands of apperances yet he only did a relatively small amount of these mega feats. He has been koed numerous times after a long battle. His strength didn't jump off the charts in those instances.
Next, what is your proof that when Hulk gets angry his strength varies that much… We've seen him one shot planets, we've seen him punch through dimensional barries, we've seen him hold two separate infinite mass objects, we've seen him hold up mountain ranges.. etc etc…
Most instances have him nowhere near as strong. This is pointed to him losing or going toe to toe with beings weaker than Superman for a long while.
Please use paragraphs. It is more convenient for quoting. This is fallacious reasoning. First, I didn't claim Hulk was a certain strength. I said it is unknown to what strength he is at because of the randomness of his powers. Superman holds back and his strength is static more or less. Second, a positive is only true when proven to be, otherwise the negative must be assumed to be true. That means just because Hulk doesn't one-shot someone doesn't mean his strength is above X. That would be ridiculous logic.
Point being, when he gets angry this is what he can do. You can't use him not knocking out people right away when he's angry as proof of anything… Wanna know why… 1. Cause then there would be no plot if he walked around one shotting Thor, Juggs etc etc.. They have to fight.. Further he's punching someone who has a variety of healing powers, durability and strength of their own.. not a solid mass with no healing properties. To go further… superman is so strong, and yet, just like hulk rarely ever one shots anybody he EVER faces. So then by your theory.. superman is anywhere between 10 tons to 1 billion tons.. then going further using your logic… I'll just call him a 10 tonner when I see fit…. Do you see how illogical that is and stupid.
Finally, by your logic, beings strength are shown as to how they are fair with a certain opponent. If that is the case then you contradicted yourself. You claim that villians have no strength feats yet we know how strong they are in relation by whom they faired against. But then you said for the sake of the story we have characters not doing things (like not one-shotting someone) that they maybe can do.
See the contradiction?
If you don't then how you know Hulk or X character wasn't using their full strength for the sake of the story?
Well Marvel officially said that Hulk's base strength is around 100 tons and grows from there. They also said that his strength is proportional to his stress level. Relatively few feats have him breaking these rules though so it is reasonable that there is a randomness factor involved. The Thing is a very low class 100.
Superman is always that strong just as Hulk when he is angry is always that strong. Just because they don't always do the high end feats we've seen them do, doesn't mean they are as variable as you're making them out to be. When Superman gets pissed and buckles down he gets the job done.. just like when Hulk gets angry and pissed he gets the job done. That is how it work.. you can't keep on using ur self serving logic all the time. If so, then I'll just call superman a 10 tonner since he doesn't knock out anybody in one shot all the time. Doesn't do high end lifting/pulling feats all the time. Now that we've established that Hulk isn't as variable as you're making him out to be… Please address the feat in question.. Hulk was angry and pissed. Fact. The Thing who also has good lifting feats was there as well. He mocked them and made them look like weak feebs.. would you agree? Now what does that say about Thanos strength?
The bottom line is that since Hulk's strength is unknown (unless he specifically shows it) then you can't say that he was at so and so strength level without proof.
Originally posted by h1a8Surfer was going multiple times the speed of light and Thanos wasn't aware and still moved in time to avoid him showing his reactionary time is more than enough to easily stop Superman with his abilities.
Ok here's something more simpler.Distance equals Rate X Time. But by both Rate and Time being finite proves Distance (or Strength) can never be infinite. And that proves there exists an upper bound for the Distance (or Strength).
Also Hulk's strength is variable. It is faulty to say that so and so is stronger than the Hulk when Hulk can possibly get stronger than them and it may not be known how strong the Hulk is at a given time.
Any feats against the Hulk are inconclusive since we can't know what level Hulk was operating at.
With that said, watch your contradictions from now on.
We don't know how much Superman was holding back at the time of his strength feats so based on your logic nothing counts.