KuRuPT Thanosi
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Originally posted by h1a8
They have some type of feats, otherwise how would we know if they are stronger. CA beats beings far stronger than him due to speed and skill (same as with Spidey). So using fights alone doesn't tell us who is stronger.
You proved my point. Those feats are rare and inbetween. Hulk has thousands of apperances yet he only did a relatively small amount of these mega feats. He has been koed numerous times after a long battle. His strength didn't jump off the charts in those instances.Most instances have him nowhere near as strong. This is pointed to him losing or going toe to toe with beings weaker than Superman for a long while.
Please use paragraphs. It is more convenient for quoting. This is fallacious reasoning. First, I didn't claim Hulk was a certain strength. I said it is unknown to what strength he is at because of the randomness of his powers. Superman holds back and his strength is static more or less. Second, a positive is only true when proven to be, otherwise the negative must be assumed to be true. That means just because Hulk doesn't one-shot someone doesn't mean his strength is above X. That would be ridiculous logic.
Finally, by your logic, beings strength are shown as to how they are fair with a certain opponent. If that is the case then you contradicted yourself. You claim that villians have no strength feats yet we know how strong they are in relation by whom they faired against. But then you said for the sake of the story we have characters not doing things (like not one-shotting someone) that they maybe can do.
See the contradiction?
If you don't then how you know Hulk or X character wasn't using their full strength for the sake of the story?
Well Marvel officially said that Hulk's base strength is around 100 tons and grows from there. They also said that his strength is proportional to his stress level. Relatively few feats have him breaking these rules though so it is reasonable that there is a randomness factor involved. The Thing is a very low class 100.
The bottom line is that since Hulk's strength is unknown (unless he specifically shows it) then you can't say that he was at so and so strength level without proof.
Sometimes I don't even think you can keep up with how little sense you make sometimes. You just trapped yourself yet again… You made a whole big production about how Hulk doesn't always pull off the incredible lifting feats we've seen him do, and thus you come to the conclusion that is strength varies a lot. Interesting… we don't see superman pulling off crazy strength feats all the time JUST LIKE the Hulk. So… as I said then I'll assume he's just a basic 100 tonner and rarely does he exceed that right? You don't understand this basic concept… yes Hulk's strength varies depending on if he's reading a book or trying to save the world. No argument there. The main point you're missing is that when IS angry his strength level doesn't vary that much at all. When he's pissed he can pull off the crazy feats we've seen him do, that is his thing and what we see all the time. Just because he doesn't pull off crazy feats everytime he's angry doesn't mean he can't. It means the story didn't call for that. Just like when superman doesn't pull them off.. we don't go… ooo his strength varies and that is why… no we go.. it didn't call for him to do such things. Now in the situation in question.. we have the basic simple static concept of Hulk was angry.. thus he is that strong… Thanos made him look like a weak feeb..