Cross Genre Nominations Thread #5

Started by marwash2230 pages

F=M x A Force = Mass, it's basic stuff. Not being effected by gravity, makes you stronger.

flying > standing on the ground... in terms of strength.

Hey, i didn't make up the rules concerning what count's as a legitimate cap for a character's strength. In order for you to claim a character can lift x amount of weight, he/she has to be able to lift it over their head.

Do you realize the lunacy in claiming a character can lift a billion tons with not one single shred of evidence to back up the assertion?

Superman cannot lift the same amount of weight while standing on the ground, that he can move while flying.

Originally posted by marwash22
F=M x A Force = Mass, it's basic stuff. Not being effected by gravity, makes you stronger.

flying > standing on the ground... in terms of strength.

Hey, i didn't make up the rules concerning what count's as a legitimate cap for a character's strength. In order for you to claim a character can lift x amount of weight, he/she has to be able to lift it over their head.

Do you realize the lunacy in claiming a character can lift a billion tons with not one single shred of evidence to back up the assertion?

Superman cannot lift the same amount of weight while standing on the ground, that he can move while flying.

how does that equation work when superman has been at a stop beside things he's had to move? or the fact that he's had to come to a dead stop beside something before trying to move it?

yes, when he charges toward something while flying, he'll make a bigger impact. that's NOT what i'm talking about.

all that said, trying to apply any sort of detailed science to superman's powers is a bad idea in the first place, imo. his powers have been stated to give physics the finger.

we're going to end up going round in circles, tbh.

for me, his feats count. for you they obviously don't.

difference of opinion, fair enough.

Originally posted by marwash22
1/80 of the moon's weight under the Earth gravitational pull, is 1 billion tons... that's what they moved. Divide that by 3 and the most you can say Superman has pulled is, 333 million tons... that's via flight, not lifting strength. To my understanding, for it to count as a consistent measuret of a character's strength, they have to be able to lift it over their head.

So Superboy towing an entire solar system doesn't count as a strength feat because he's using flight?

How does one lift multiple planets over their head, let alone one?

First off, all feats preformed by Prime or PC heroes/villains, are lame. They're legit feats, I'm not claiming otherwise, I'm not saying they didn't happen, they're just lame. But seriously, that's not what we were discussing because everyone already knows that they are ridiculous in terms of power-set and feats.

People are trying to claim that non-PC/Prime Superman can lift 1 billion tons... not true, not even close! and if it is true, all I'm asking is for you to show me the scan and stop using speculative logic.

Anyhow, I didn't make up the rules; take it up with the handbooks who say, a character has to lift the weight above their head and extend their arms... whatever weight they can do this with, is their strength level.

As far as towing anything in space... moving objects in freefall is not that impressive. The only part of the moon feat for Superman, WW and GL that was impressive, is knocking/pulling it out of orbit... that takes roughly, one billion ton of force. Moving the object through space isn't impressive for a Class 100 because out of orbit, there's nothing holding the body in place. Basically, once it's out of orbit, it's gonna move on it's own, all they really did is guide it. It's like putting a car in neutral and pulling into the desired direction... hardly a billion ton feat.

Same thing applies to Superboy prime... except he probably could actually lift a billion tons given how outrageous prime is.

The only issue is that, as PR said, going by physics Superman shouldn't be able to move a planet like, at all. He's denser than the Earth's crust. Also, flight implies he's stronger, but I don't see under which physics his strength would be increased so much that we can discount his higher end feats.

Sōsuke Aizen vs hulk?

Originally posted by marwash22
First off, all feats preformed by Prime or PC heroes/villains, are lame. They're legit feats, I'm not claiming otherwise, I'm not saying they didn't happen, they're just lame. But seriously, that's not what we were discussing because everyone already knows that they are ridiculous in terms of power-set and feats.

People are trying to claim that non-PC/Prime Superman can lift 1 billion tons... not true, not even close! and if it is true, all I'm asking is for you to show me the scan and stop using speculative logic.

Anyhow, I didn't make up the rules; take it up with the handbooks who say, a character has to lift the weight above their head and extend their arms... whatever weight they can do this with, is their strength level.

As far as towing anything in space... moving objects in freefall is not that impressive. The only part of the moon feat for Superman, WW and GL that was impressive, is knocking/pulling it out of orbit... that takes roughly, one billion ton of force. Moving the object through space isn't impressive for a Class 100 because out of orbit, there's nothing holding the body in place. Basically, once it's out of orbit, it's gonna move on it's own, all they really did is guide it. It's like putting a car in neutral and pulling into the desired direction... hardly a billion ton feat.

Same thing applies to Superboy prime... except he probably could actually lift a billion tons given how outrageous prime is.

This would be true if it weren't for the fact that the Solar System still has a gravitation pull that is the combination of all the planets, moons, sun, and asteroids. And 1 billion tons of force is not enough to move a planet out of orbit. that would only smash into a planet and world kill. What Superman, WW, and MM did was hold the Earth in it's orbit steadily. Far in excess of Quintillions of Metric tons of Force.

Re: Cross Genre Nominations Thread #5

Here is a description of this thread topic:

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here are the rules:

(1) All nominations must be between one character primarily identified as a comic book character and a character of another medium outside of comics.

(2) No spite nominations.

(3) In order to receive official consideration once the poll thread is made ANOTHER person must communicate their support for the nomination other than the person who proposed it.

(4) Try not to spam nominations, consider them carefully and then post them in this thread.

(5) Explain the scenario and why you think the matchup would be a good one and provide documentation for the character(s) proposed so that others can understand what they're dealing with.

This thread is used to make nominations, not pages and pages of trying to apply real world science to comic book characters. Take those conversations to a thread where they belong or a PM. Now let's get back to topic. Thank you.

pigfight

Gin Ichimaru vs Quicksilver

Quicksilver operates at speeds beyond that of sound. Gin's zanpakutô is the fastest of them all, and it's ability: Kamishini no yari (god-killing spear) extends (and retracts) 13 kilometer at speeds 500 times faster than that of sound.

Gin's zanpakutô extends 13 kilometer.

Gin claps and explains that the zanpakutô extends 500 times the speed of the sound of the clap.

While Gin isn't as fast as Quicksilver, other than that he also have a wide range of kidô (spells) and one hell of a reiatsu enhanced durability and physical prowess.

cosmo (cis off) and wanda from the fairly oddparents vs HoM Scarlet Witch.

wand removal and net-trapping is not allowed

scenario 1: Da Rules are in play
scenario 2: no restrictions

cosmo and wanda have vast reality and matter warping and manipulating magical abilities, immortality (or at least incredible longevity), the ability to 'poof' places light years away instantaneously, etc.

i think this would be a good match because both sides have shown global (or larger) instances of reality manipulation and warping.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
cosmo (cis off) and wanda from the fairly oddparents vs HoM Scarlet Witch.

wand removal and net-trapping is not allowed

scenario 1: Da Rules are in play
scenario 2: no restrictions

cosmo and wanda have vast reality and matter warping and manipulating magical abilities, immortality (or at least incredible longevity), the ability to 'poof' places light years away instantaneously, etc.

i think this would be a good match because both sides have shown global (or larger) instances of reality manipulation and warping.


HOM Wanda warped the Omniverse. Fairly Oddparents Fairies can be trapped by ordinary butterfly nets.

Wanda stomps.

omniverse??? mustve been after i stopped reading...

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
omniverse??? mustve been after i stopped reading...

Its explained outside of HOM IIRC.

How about Afro Samurai Vs. Elektra?

Threads with a nod:
Edward Elric vs Eddie Brock Venom

Steve Urkel vs Reed Richards, who can solve the energy crisis?

Static vs Aang

Charles Xavier vs Tetsuo Shima

Juggernaut vs Bowser

Elektra vs Afro Samurai

Threads with multiple nods:

Samus Aran runs the Weapons X gauntlet
-Deadpool
-Daken
-Wolverine
-Sabretooth (adamantium)
-Omega Red

Runner-Up from last thread:
Iron Spider-Man vs Kain in NYC

Originally posted by illadelph12
How about Afro Samurai Vs. Elektra?

I'll nod this.

lol, my 'Urkel vs Reed' nomination was more of a joke; i think it's interesting to think about but probably wouldn't make for a very exciting thread. One of my other noms got a nod as well...

Godric and Eric Northman (from True Blood)

vs.

Sabretooth, Daken, X-23 and Wolverine

-no adamantium.

There was also a nod for one of my MewTwo threads. It took the form of XanatosForever.

How about Terry Bogard vs Iron fist.