Originally posted by ares834
But we have no clue how powerful those Imperial Knights were. Hell they could be worse than Colemen Trebor. Yeah Krayt is powerful but he is definenlty not in the top ten lightsaber duelists.
They were personal guards of the Emperor and one was a Fel, i.e. has Solo/Skywalker DNA. Heck, even beating four Colemen Trebors *that* easily would've been impressive, and the Knights seem more combat-focused than a diplomat Jedi, none of the ones we've seen have exactly been wusses.
It's mainly the Obi-Wan fight that shows his skill against a known quantity though.
Originally posted by ares834Um, did she forget what was shown?:
Nah. Obi-Wan cut of his arm. Jan Duursema confirmed it saying "Obi-Wan cut the arm off. Trying for the feeling we got when Obi cut off Anakin's arm and both of his legs in RotS with practically one motion. At any rate--the arm was not Force pulled off. Certainly would be a lot messier than the surgical precision of a lightsaber. Probably bleed to death though... "
As you can see in the first panel, Obi is blocking A'Sharad's lightsaber with his own, and using his free arm to seemingly force-rip A'Sharad's other arm off (a force aura can even be seen around said appendage.) Furthermore, the site of the injury certainly isn't 'clean cut' as you would expect from a lightsaber... It appears to be ripped.
Maybe she intended Obi-Wan to cut his arm off, but if definitely wasn't portrayed that way. Imo.
Originally posted by ares834
I agree. But as we learn he wasn't a match for Kenobi who while good isn't even in the top ten. So why would Krayt make it?
Wait, what makes you think Kenobi isn't in the top 10? He's in everyone's 10 list that's been posted so far. I'd put him well in there too, he was the guy who dismantled Grevious and beat Anakin.
Plus, Kenobi beat him with force, not sword work. He was stronger than A'Sharad overall (though not necessarily Krayt, A'Sharad seems to think he's gotten stronger with Sith teachings), it's just the sword work that he was doing well in.
Originally posted by Q99
Wait, what makes you think Kenobi isn't in the top 10? He's in everyone's 10 list that's been posted so far. I'd put him well in there too, he was the guy who dismantled Grevious and beat Anakin.
Plus, Kenobi beat him with force, not sword work. He was stronger than A'Sharad overall (though not necessarily Krayt, A'Sharad seems to think he's gotten stronger with Sith teachings), it's just the sword work that he was doing well in.
Originally posted by ares834Here's the page that precedes the one I posted above:
Not to mention it's not in Kenobi's character to use the force to rip off arms, but chopping them off.
Check out the last panel. Obi-Wan seemed to become visibly angry just before he launched his final attack (likely because he couldn't gain any ground on A'Sharad from a saber standpoint.) I know it's not normally in character for Obi to be so 'uncivilized', but his visible state of anger + what the pages display = him force-ripping A'Sharad's arm off.
Like I said before: Jan's personal intention, and the on panel depiction are two completely different things.
It does look like he is ripping it off. I'm not denying that. Still I'm going with Jan on this one. Anyway the way I invison it going is that Kenobi simultaneously chopping upward and getting his saber into position above his head to blcok Hett's strike. He then uses the force to push his arm away and wrench the other lightsaber out of his hand.
Originally posted by ares834If she did say that, it was certainly an afterthought on her part. If I had to guess, I'd say that Jan originally intended Obi-Wan to get pissed and force-rip A'Sharad's arm off (as the illustrations clearly depict.) However, once fans started questioning Obi-Wan's use of such a crude (and seemingly dark) technique, she pulled the ol' switcheroo.
It does look like he is ripping it off. I'm not denying that. Still I'm going with Jan on this one.
Originally posted by ares834
He is good just not top ten IMO. Yoda, Mace, Sidious, Anakin, and Dooku are all above him and these are only Jedi from his era. From others we got Kas'im, Bane, Luke, Caedus, Kun, Ulic, etc...
I would think in a sword fight, he'd be able to handle at least Bane and Ulic from that list, maybe more (most of them are overall more powerful, but again, just sword-skills here).
Kneobi would be killed by Bane no problem.
1)Bane brought downa 1,000 year old temple after only a few moments to gather the force
2)Bane singlehandedly tooled with 2 jedi masters (including a blademaster) and a jediknight long enough for Zannah to come and kill one and provide a distraction tofinish the last one
3)Banes lightning was never stopped by a force shieldas described in the book
4)Orbalisks
5)Bane stands nearly 2 meters tall and is extremly muscled and intelligent,as well as incredibly powerful in the force
6)Bane (in Rule of Two during the fight on Tython) was described as a being as powerful as a force of nature, and the jedi that thought it (i think it was Farfalla.....) knew it was only a matter of time before they were all slaughtered
Originally posted by Pwned
Kneobi would be killed by Bane no problem.
1)Bane brought downa 1,000 year old temple after only a few moments to gather the force
2)Bane singlehandedly tooled with 2 jedi masters (including a blademaster) and a jediknight long enough for Zannah to come and kill one and provide a distraction tofinish the last one
3)Banes lightning was never stopped by a force shieldas described in the book
4)Orbalisks
5)Bane stands nearly 2 meters tall and is extremly muscled and intelligent,as well as incredibly powerful in the force
6)Bane (in Rule of Two during the fight on Tython) was described as a being as powerful as a force of nature, and the jedi that thought it (i think it was Farfalla.....) knew it was only a matter of time before they were all slaughtered
Yes, note how most of those are force feats, not saber feats.
Bane's a good duelist but it's his lightning and other powers that make him an unstoppable beast in combat.
Bane > Obi Wan overall, I'm with you that he's going down in a fight no question, but saber skill is much closer and I'd probably give to Obi-wan.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, note how most of those are force feats, not saber feats.Bane's a good duelist but it's his lightning and other powers that make him an unstoppable beast in combat.
Bane > Obi Wan overall, I'm with you that he's going down in a fight no question, but saber skill is much closer and I'd probably give to Obi-wan.
qtf
Saber feats? Kas'im son.
