Originally posted by psycho gundamDoctor Octopus might be interesting.
oh that's right....mmmmm hows about..... doctor octopus, cheshire, hobgoblin, clayface, etc. someone in that area?
i'm also down with the entire section-9 vs a team or a powerful individual
(i want to post that scene where she uses saito's sniper rifle sooo bad)
On topic: Emma still wins.
Originally posted by 753
His point is that emma frost has been a telepath for 10-15 years and sinister has been a telepath for over a century. Unless you can prove he only acquired telepathy in the last 15 years or simply didnt use it before, he is more experienced.
True, Selene had her telepathy since the dawn of mankind. She still sucks with it.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakI'd say she is rather skilled, she just lacks raw power output. Her telepathy seems to be of a different kind from chuck and the others too. Like another psychic power that just resembles their TP.
True, Selene had her telepathy since the dawn of mankind. She still sucks with it.
Originally posted by batdude123I think he meant that randomness doesnt realy exist as he was a determinist. I dont hink he believed in god. At least not in the most common view of a personal god
No, he simply believed that it was arrogant to think that the universe is nothing more than what we can perceive with our own 5 senses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein%27s_religious_views
Originally posted by 753
I'd say she is rather skilled, she just lacks raw power output. Her telepathy seems to be of a different kind from chuck and the others too. Like another psychic power that just resembles their TP.
A simple illusion by Dani Moonstar can make her wet herself. I don't know what you mean by that, she has been shown to be able to pull off the same things as your average telepath.
Originally posted by Konton
Everybody was being stupid so my question went unanswered.Was Emma Frost's mini series retconned entirely with the new Origins one shot?
It wasn't according to the writer. She said she was adding to it. There's like a window of space for her to have gone to uni. Plus she's a telepath that stole entire educations in seconds so I guess that helps.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakMoonstar isnt weak.
A simple illusion by Dani Moonstar can make her wet herself. I don't know what you mean by that, she has been shown to be able to pull off the same things as your average telepath.
I dont think she does the same things as average telepaths, at least not like they do. I recall her controlling minds by sucking life force from people and stablishing a vinculum with them, not by the standard TP thought override; she has a very low resistance to direct TP assault and usually like to blend in the thoughtscape as a defense instead, her usual use of powers is more subtle and indirect like confusing people with hypnosis to slip away while they're distracted. Her TK is different too, I think. Doesnt it work by infusing inanimate matter with stolen lifeforce? All her other powers seem like extensions of this power to suck and redirect lifeforce psionically.
Originally posted by 753
Moonstar isnt weak.I dont think she does the same things as average telepaths, at least not like they do. I recall her controlling minds by sucking life force from people and stablishing a vinculum with them, not by the standard TP thought override; she has a very low resistance to direct TP assault and usually like to blend in the thoughtscape as a defense instead, her usual use of powers is more subtle and indirect like confusing people with hypnosis to slip away while they're distracted. Her TK is different too, I think. Doesnt it work by infusing inanimate matter with stolen lifeforce? All her other powers seem like extensions of this power to suck and redirect lifeforce psionically.
Moonstar isn't a true telepath. If Psylocke is B-list Moonstar is C-List especially that Moonstar.
I'm pretty sure I've seen mind bolts and mind control from her.
She has demonstrated both proper TK after killing the other externals and animating inanimate objects.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakThat doesnt mean she is weak. The mastermind twins arent telepaths but are extremelly powerfull. My point is that I view Selene's powers as not 'true TP' or TK either, although some of her feats look just like what other 'standard' psionics do with their powers. For example, telepaths can cast illusions too, but they don't have the same powers as the wyngarde family.
Moonstar isn't a true telepath. If Psylocke is B-list Moonstar is C-List especially that Moonstar.I'm pretty sure I've seen mind bolts and mind control from her.
She has demonstrated both proper TK after killing the other externals and animating inanimate objects.
Originally posted by 753
That doesnt mean she is weak. The mastermind twins arent telepaths but are extremelly powerfull. My point is that I view Selene's powers as not 'true TP' or TK either, although some of her feats look just like what other 'standard' psionics do with their powers. For example, telepaths can cast illusions too, but they don't have the same powers as the wyngarde family.
Yes, hence the reason why I said that Dani. That Dani cried after she tried to mentally attack one of Emma's henchmen and hit one of Emma's mind traps.
You can view it how you want. Marvel confirmed her powers through her handbook bio which states she has telepathy. What it means is Selene is just stupid. And it's now canon that she's illiterate and stupid thanks to Necrosha.
The Wyngarde twins aren't as powerful as you make them out to be. Martinque sure but Regan I wouldn't say so. Not without a magic amp by the Red Queen anyway.
And what kind of powers do the Wyngarde family have that normal telepaths don't? Read Pixie Strikes back before you answer this question.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yes, hence the reason why I said that Dani. That Dani cried after she tried to mentally attack one of Emma's henchmen and hit one of Emma's mind traps.
That shows Emma is more powerfull than selene TP wise which I never disputed. Dani is still not weak.
You can view it how you want. Marvel confirmed her powers through her handbook bio which states she has telepathy. What it means is Selene is just stupid. And it's now canon that she's illiterate and stupid thanks to Necrosha.
By all means, stick to the handbook if it pleases you.
The Wyngarde twins aren't as powerful as you make them out to be. Martinque sure but Regan I wouldn't say so. Not without a magic amp by the Red Queen anyway.B]
Regan's illusions can kill people by convincing their minds that their bodys are dying, despite no actual physical harm. They are always believed by the target regardless of how absurd and knowingly impossible they are. She can induce coma and trap people's minds in hypnotic mazes that cripple their cognitive functions like she did to emma frost preventing her from understanding what was happening and using her own powers to react. She is, of course, less powerfull than Martinique.
And what kind of powers do the Wyngarde family have that normal telepaths don't? [/B]
Their powers are not of the same nature and that's obvious, at the very least it's a different strain of telepathy or an entirelly different psionic power. It doesn't matter that normal telepaths can replicate some of their feats or even all. Haven't seen a telepath actually convince someone they've died and kill them through that or cause spontaneous bleeding through an illusory stab wound though.
People don't call them telepaths either, they say illusion casters or things like that. Their inherent expertise in illsuion casting is beyond regular telepaths, and they lack a lot of other TP powers, even if they have some limited mindreading or mindsensing powers that help them cast apropriate illusions.
Pixie? I'll pass
Read Pixie Strikes back before you answer this question. [/B]
Originally posted by 753
That shows Emma is more powerfull than selene TP wise which I never disputed. Dani is still not weak.
Dani was a novice back then.
By all means, stick to the handbook if it pleases you.
As opposed to fanfic.
Regan's illusions can kill people by convincing their minds that their bodys are dying, despite no actual physical harm. They are always believed by the target regardless of how absurd and knowingly impossible they are. She can induce coma and trap people's minds in hypnotic mazes that cripple their cognitive functions like she did to emma frost preventing her from understanding what was happening and using her own powers to react. She is, of course, less powerfull than Martinique.Their powers are not of the same nature and that's obvious, at the very least it's a different strain of telepathy or and entirelly different psionic power. It doesn't matter that normal telepaths can replicate some of their feats or even all. Haven't seen a telepath actually convince someone they've died and kill them through that or cause spontaneous bleeding through an illusory stab wound.
Pixie? I'll pass
Telepaths can do the same. Xavier's blood vessels were bursting when he was trapped in Exodus's illusion loop.
Actually the psychic chaff was a mixture of magic which the Red Queen used to boost the Sisterhood and Empaths powers. Empath was sending out chaff from the jail cell before they attacked.
Read Pixie Strikes back. Pixie's mom just sits there while both twins try there worst.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I will as opposed to quoting wikipedia.
Haha please do. I draw my conclusions from comics though.
Telepaths can do the same. Xavier's blood vessels were bursting when he was trapped in Exodus's illusion loop.
I dont recall that. Was that because the illusions convinced him he was being injured and bleeding or because of strain on his part?
What does this demonstrate about the nature of their powers? I dont know what you're talking about. My claim is that the Wyngardes aren't telepaths. Not all people with psionic powers that affect the mind are and we can deduce this from their feats and the behavior of their powers. I happen to think Selene's powers aren't of the same kind as chuck's and emma's either. Just like the wyngarde bloodline's arent. I think her telepathy is different in anture and is tied to her power to control lifeforce like her tk.
Actually the psychic chaff was a mixture of magic which the Red Queen used to boost the Sisterhood and Empaths powers.Read Pixie Strikes back. Pixie's mom just sits there while both twins try there worst.
A telepath might also be able to replicate all of the empath's feats through their own ways, that doesn't mean they have the same powers.