Thor (Blood and Thunder) vs WWIII Black Adam

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you know that really shouldnt have worked... thor angry with a glowing hammer sould have crushed supes hand like red norvel did to hulk when he tried the same sh#$@

Comics are full of contradictions but I say this

The hammer can't be lifted FROM THE GROUND nor wrestled from Thor's grip. By your logic the hammer hitting down on anyone in universe should crush them, even Thanos face. But that isn't the case.

I reason the hammer on the ground MIRRORS your own force trying to lift it but in the opposite direction. Thus your own force cancels with itself. That is why NO ONE, WITHOUT REMOVING THE MIRRORING EFFECT, can lift it, not even Galactus.

heres.. the problem one of the enchantments is that whatever it hits is suppose to be crushed.

but, thats beside the point the point is that this pushing the hammer in mid swing only became possible very recently and canceled what it had done in the past..

also this isnt any thor but blood and thunder thor.. if adam tried to pull the same sh#$ supes did his hand would be crushed since thor is far stronger then his normal lvls..

Nefaria did the hammer thing eons ago though.

And blood and thunder Thor is NOT WM Thor. He was just crazy and not really in Warrior Madness. Also I believe, BY FEATS, Superman is many many many times stronger than Thor. Even a WM Thor.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you know that really shouldnt have worked... thor angry with a glowing hammer sould have crushed supes hand like red norvel did to hulk when he tried the same sh#$@

That's not actually what happened.

The Hulk stopped the hammer in mid swing like Superman. Seemed to have an easier time of doing it as well as I recall.

The hammer broke his fingers when he tried to lift it after Norvell let go.

Thor actually did nearly the exact same thing to Masterson as Superman did to Thor. Nearly the exact same position as well. Thor only caught the handle and not the actual head I believe.

Most of the time, blows from Mjolnir aren't any harder than a punch from Thor.

sigh... what feats?

thor has proven himself to be just as equal in strength as supes.. unless you plan on using the shotty writing they have had him recently....

blood and thunder thor was going toe to toe with drax and taking on the entire watch he was not in a true warrior madness but his strength was above his normal lvls due to the rage...

Originally posted by h1a8
Nefaria did the hammer thing eons ago though.

And blood and thunder Thor is NOT WM Thor. He was just crazy and not really in Warrior Madness. Also I believe, BY FEATS, Superman is many many many times stronger than Thor. Even a WM Thor.

Even going by their fight in JLA/Avengers, the two are clearly peers in strength.

You can see them trading punches, with their blows having the same effect on each other.

The notion that Superman is many, many times stronger than Thor is absolutely asinine.

Even the biggest Superman fanboy I've run into thinks Superman is 25% to 50% stronger than Thor as I recall.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Even the biggest Superman fanboy I've run into thinks Superman is 25% to 50% stronger than Thor as I recall.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh... what feats?

thor has proven himself to be just as equal in strength as supes.. unless you plan on using the shotty writing they have had him recently....

blood and thunder thor was going toe to toe with drax and taking on the entire watch he was not in a true warrior madness but his strength was above his normal lvls due to the rage...

He actually treated Drax as just a joke. One shotted him etc.

the 1st time when he faced the team or when he fought him above paradise planet.. they were going back and fourth for a long period of time..

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh 25% to 50% is a lot

That's halfway to being twice as strong as Thor.

I recall h1 stating that Superman was multiple times stronger than Thor. I believe he was using numbers like millions or billions in his insane calculations.

50% stronger isn't much in comparison to that.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the 1st time when he faced the team or when he fought him above paradise planet.. they were going back and fourth for a long period of time..

Well you said Blood and Thunder Thor. I believe that version of Thor was born when he fully descended into the Madness and the Blood and Thunder crossover started. This was right after he went toe to toe with Drax actually.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

50% stronger isn't much in comparison to that.

but 50% is more than enough to be the difference

try fighting someone who is 50% stronger than you and you'll be hardpressed to win

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well you said Blood and Thunder Thor. I believe that version of Thor was born when he fully descended into the Madness and the Blood and Thunder crossover started. This was right after he went toe to toe with Drax actually.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
either way blood and thunder is far stronger then his normal self..

Well yea. Normal Thor holds back his strength significantly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Even going by their fight in JLA/Avengers, the two are clearly peers in strength.

You can see them trading punches, with their blows having the same effect on each other.

The notion that Superman is many, many times stronger than Thor is absolutely asinine.

Even the biggest Superman fanboy I've run into thinks Superman is 25% to 50% stronger than Thor as I recall.

Stop.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I agree that superman is not multiples stronger than thor (at least not at his regular base form)

but 50% is more than enough to be the difference

try fighting someone who is 50% stronger than you and you'll be hardpressed to win

Maybe if they were having an arm wrestling match.

50% stronger than me in what way? Just because someone can press 50% more than I can or bench press 50% more than I can, that doesn't mean I'll lose at all.

Frankly, strength advantages don't mean that big of a deal real life fights from what I've seen. Unless their vast.

I'd rather fight someone stronger than me rather than someone faster or more skilled then me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well yea. Normal Thor holds back his strength significantly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I'd rather fight someone stronger than me rather than someone faster or more skilled then me.

Originally posted by Spire
Stop.

Stop what?

I have no doubt in my mind that Kurt Busiek wanted to portray Superman as having the strength advantage in JlA/Avengers but I don't believe for a second it was intended to be that vast. At least not from actually reading the comic.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well therein lies the problem...superman isn't ONLY stronger, he's also faster (by far) and prob more skilled

It wasn't my intent in using real life examples as direct analogies to comic book fights.

If these two had a fight, it would be strength vs. strength and power vs. power. You'd see the occasional use of superior speed such as Superman's opening move in their fight but that's about it in my opinion.

I don't expect skill to fall into account in a battle betweent hese two personally.