Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yea , i actually think immortal herc is stronger than thor and a better H2HI think thor is more durable
I'd say they're probably about even in terms of pure strength, but Thor is more durable by far.
h2h- hard to say. both have been fighting and/or competing for thousands of years or so- neither one should be a scrub. Marvel gets a lot of mileage out of writing hercules as an idiot, though.
Originally posted by dmills
I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.
The same pressure point techniques that Cap uses? The same Cap that Thor has fought beside and trained with for over a decade?
something tells me this isn't a likely tactic that's going to work.
Don't forget Thor is much, much faster than IF is.
Originally posted by Space M ummyUh, no. Danny is an uber bullet timer with insane combat speed that he displays on a regular basis. And Danny hits harder then Steve. Much harder.
The same pressure point techniques that Cap uses? The same Cap that Thor has fought beside and trained with for over a decade?something tells me this isn't a likely tactic that's going to work.
Don't forget Thor is much, much faster than IF is.
Originally posted by dmills
I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂I hope that was not a serious argument.
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.
I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.
Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.
maybe the writer was just a dick? would you like to speculate on how physically tough Thors body must be in order to go through the shit his body does..on a galactic scale. You then want to insinuate that a human man can knock him unconscious, and you say you're NOT mad?
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Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.
If Thor was written correctly by cosmic writers, he wouldn't even notice some dumb karate chop.
Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.
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Once again: Anyone using the Mantis scene as evidence that Iron Fist wins using the logic that he can do the same must be joking.
An Englehart written Mantis is ridiculous at times.
Mantis has done everything from knocking an Elder of the Universe for a loop to going toe to toe with the West Coast Avengers.
And as I recall, Mantis was able to use nerve based attack to temporarily take out Englehart's Wonderman -who I believe was Ionic Energy at the time- and use a Karate Chop to the neck to incapacitate Vision.
Thor defeats Iron Fist everytime.