Originally posted by Omega VisionWell, the phoenix's that are usually capable of going toe to toe with galactus are usually green. The red suit was dark phoenix who was a suneater. and of course the white was the one that was holding a universe in her hands.
I somewhat doubt he took Green Phoenix's full power attacks though. Wasn't Green Phoenix a solar system buster?
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixLike I said earlier about the type mismatch.
Machamp's physical power has a better effect on Magneto than Mewtwo's psychic power would. Magneto is anti-psychic, he is incredibly resistant to psychic forces, TK and TP.
I don't care how powerful your electric type pokemon is. Outside of Ash's legendary pikachu, electric attacks have no effect on even the tiniest of sandshrew.
Likewise Psychic attacks don't work on Magneto. If I recall correctly dark is the attribute in the pokemon universe that's resistant to psychic. Magneto is like a Dark type in with whatever the other element is.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I said earlier about the type mismatch.I don't care how powerful your electric type pokemon is. Outside of Ash's legendary pikachu, electric attacks have no effect on even the tiniest of sandshrew.
Likewise Psychic attacks don't work on Magneto. If I recall correctly dark is the attribute in the pokemon universe that's resistant to psychic. Magneto is like a Dark type in with whatever the other element is.
Magneto: The Dark/Steel Pokemon, this Pokemon comes with many abilities that lets him manhandle his opponents when he's at the top of his game and sometimes when he's weakened. Magneto evolves into Onslaught when you have Magneto and Professor Xavier in your party at the same time.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Magneto: The Dark/Steel Pokemon, this Pokemon comes with many abilities that lets him manhandle his opponents when he's at the top of his game and sometimes when he's weakened. Magneto evolves into Onslaught when you have Magneto and Professor Xavier in your party at the same time.
So like a slowbro but a bit more elaborate.
Isn't there something about turning a steel type wolverine into a normal type when you evolve a pokemon into onslaught?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Magneto: The Dark/Steel Pokemon, this Pokemon comes with many abilities that lets him manhandle his opponents when he's at the top of his game and sometimes when he's weakened. Magneto evolves into Onslaught when you have Magneto and Professor Xavier in your party at the same time.
4x weakness to Fighting type attacks. Like Aura Sphere, for instance. 😎
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ash's Squirtle does actually happen to be rather impressive, as does Misty's Staryu.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Point being? A mach 2 flier has incredible strength in it's wings. Who said it has to fly at that speed to get through the storm?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Then do explain to me why MewTwo said his storm would destroy the world.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
We saw him twirl his hand once or twice. That isn't really a repeating pattern. And do explain how he maintains this storm without gestures, then.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It helps to prove MewTwo's powers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
A few things on this.1. Lol. MewTwo doesn't care about Ash at that point.
2. He's focused on fighting Mew and his powers are already attached to other tasks as well.
3. He blocks electric attacks from Magneton, does he not? I don't think Naruto characters get that fast.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This is incorrect.
Magneto's reaction is 170 times that of normal humans.
"Bioelectric activity projected at seventeen thousand percent above normal."
Mewtwo--at best--have regular human reactions.
Magneto will end this before Mewtwo know what hit him, literally.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They got through on pure PIS. 😐 Same way Ash survives flames that on screen have been shown vapourising ice and stone, and a telekinetic toss from MewTwo due to a quick save from Mew.
When did Ash--in a serious scene--survive a direct exposure to Charizard's flames?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're missing the point, it's an extremely powerful flier.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, Brock confirmed that of the innitial phase of the storm, MewTwo himself clearly states he'll use his storm to destroy the world, not his clones.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If he just started off with it at it's full power no one would get to his island for his neat little battle over dinner.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Resembling resonance slightly =/= resonance. Go stir a pot as quickly as you can, preferably a pot of something thick. You can't start off at full speed, and if you stop, the contents will eventually stop moving. I should also point out MewTwo's storm was powered entirely by hiw powers, not a pair of stored energy types, not akin to a pendulum.
BEcause the storm is a demonstration of MewTwo's power. No one said he'd use it, only the power behind it.
Read before you respond, it will save us both time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol'd, again, PIS.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Earlier we watch him raise his shield before lightning can reach him, after it's already been fired.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also probable MewTwo [b]didn't really care, until he saw the effect it had on the pokemon.[/b]
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, MewTwo rapes Kakashi, but that's another thread entirely.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol? Wouldn't that require him claiming MewTwo wins?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
EDIT: You know, you just claimed Mewtwo has subhuman reaction time, I wonder who has the bias here?
More cherry picking, enough with the logical fallacies already.
How is that even a point?You argued the bird making it through the storm was some kind of proof the storm was weak? That bird has more power in it's wings than some actual planes have, and the sort of maneuverability that's an engineer's wet dream.
When was this said?Looking for a video.
facepalm is here
You're not even familiar with oscillations and the concept of resonance? A swinging vase is oscillating, and it can reach resonance.Am aware, but you're trying to argue somethign which is in no way shown, alluded to, and making an assumption.Read before you respond, it will save us both time.
Stop cherry picking.
The shield was achromatic, you couldn't possibly have known when he activated it.If we go by the counter, the electricity takes about one second to reach Mewtwo.
If we decide not to go by the counter, Mewtwo could've raised his hand before the bolt was fired.
Lightning is dodged in Pokémon all the time, even by humans.
It would contradict Mewtwo's every speed and reaction feat in any of the movies.
Mewtwo isn't as fast as you wish him to be.
The shield is visible, MewTwo's hands are at his sides at rest, Magneton shoosts, MewTwo raises hand and shield to reflect the lightning bolt, Shield is visible.
You're now arguing lightning is slower than a bullet. We saw MewTwo's hands at his sides.
Stray lightning bolts miss humans, a pokemon intending to zap a human, such as an annoyed Pikachu in the earlier episodes, never has thier attack dodged, and you're still arguing lightning isn't lightning, GJ.
No it would not, because this is a reaction feat, and a good one, and it's even intentionally dispalyed as such.
Why you're cherry picking:
-Through out the movie MewTwo's reaction time cannot POSSIBLY be subhuman as you wish to claim because he's constantly displaying his superiority to the other powerful and quick pokemon.
He deflects Magneton's lightning, Gyarados' hyper beam, Charizard's fire, stops Rhyhorn's charge, fights Mew at high speed, subhuman reaction time? No, PIS moments. Ash had to get himself all sacrificial lamb, so it was written in. There had to be conflict in the second movie, so it was written in. if you recall, in another movie Palkia and Dialga, who are canonicly capable of destroying the universe, have some trouble with Darkrai.
Mew did, and he was as fast as Mewtwo.
Watch Mewtwo Returns, if Mewtwo could dispatch of Kakashi, he'd put the Rocket Gang in sleep or in a coma when they threaten his Pokémon. Rather than submitting to them being caught and almost killed.PIS, MewTwo demonstrated the ability to mind rape, manipulate matter, and whip up world-sterilising storms in the first movie. Stupid for the plot =/= a legitimate argument. Then MewTwo proceeds to move his island.
No, even suggesting that Mewtwo has the slightest of chances is an act of bias or ignorance (most likely a mixture of both).You claimed MewTwo has subhuman reaction time, you have no room to claim Moo is ignorant or biased when he freely admits MewTwo's looking at a loss.
Subhuman.
YouTube video
4:10
MewTwo looks out at his storm, commenting that the humans cannot escape their fate, and it visible intensifies. He then says "With humans and pokemon eliminated, the clones shall inherit the world", not conquer it. Ash interrupts.
YouTube video The beginning confirms the storm's dual use as a test for the trainers seeking to meet him.
1:30, trainer confirms hurricane winds are a breeze for Pidgeotto.
3:45 "This is the ruler of new island, and soon the whole world, MewTwo".
Throws trainer for the lulz. Even laughs.
Deflecting Gyarados' hyperbeam is "child's play", Gyarados are legendary for causing massive craters large enough to create lakes and destroying cities and stuff.
Purges Nurse Joy's memory, much like he could've doen to everyone in team rocket in the second movie if not for PIS.
8:50 "My storm will create my own world, by destroying yours."
Originally posted by Astner
Not really, even in the later episodes both of them are brought down quite easily.
By stronger Pokemon. This does not refute their strength. 😬 I'll point out Squirtle's Skull Bash taking out what, if I recall correctly, was an Onix.
And I will point out Staryu dealing with an Unknown created Mantine in the third movie. A Phanpy created by the unknown used Rollout and sent Brock's Onix flying. These are impressive feats for low level Pokemon like these.
Originally posted by Astner
Point being, it's the anime and not the games.
That doesn't help you.
Originally posted by Astner
When in--the original Japanese version (or regular American dub)--was that said?
I looked for the video yesterday, and could not find the proper clip. All I found was MewTwo's first appearance, and the clip did not play long enough for that quote.
Originally posted by Astner
Once or twice? He did it 15 times, and that's ignoring the waving during the cut-scenes, the first of which being half-a-minute long.
I do not recall 15 times, or even 5 for that matter. But if you can show this then I'd be grateful.
Originally posted by Astner
No, and even if it did it would be overshadowed by fact that he caused no real injuries to pokémon or trainers alike. Even though his intention was to kill them.
Do point out where his intention at that point was to kill them. He has been shown to kill when he wants to. It is far more likely that his toss on that trainer with the Gyrados was a demonstration. He may have said something along these lines, but I am unsure.
When he tossed Ash, that would have killed him or caused severe injury if not for Mew's bubble.
Originally posted by Astner
[list=1][*]Mewtwo was surprised, and Mew who successfully countered his attacks did care for humans and their Pokémon.
[*]Believe me, if you fought someone in the middle of a soccer field you'd notice is a 10-year old boy would run up to you.
[*]Kakashi, cut Kakazu's lightning and he didn't set up a barrier and waited for it either.[/list=1]
MewTwo was surprised a human was stupid enough to get in the way. That's the stupid stuff Ash does. I can name multiple instances of the exact same thing, jumping in the way of an attack for some stupid reason. In this case it was for the sake of many Pokemon instead of one.
Did Kakashi wait to cut it in half until after it was fired?
Originally posted by Astner
I played every game from the first- and second generation, I've seen every movie, I watched the first two seasons of the anime and I'm up to date with the manga. And I see no reason for why Mewtwo would have the slightest of chances against Magneto.
Congratulations. I have played every hand held game excluding the Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeons, two of the console games, seen every movie at least twice and have watched a vast majority of the anime episodes. Though my experience with the manga is severely limited.
I don't see MewTwo winning it either. What I do see is you not giving MewTwo enough credit.
Originally posted by Astner
Magneto's reaction is 170 times that of normal humans.Mewtwo--at best--have regular human reactions.
Cool.
Originally posted by Astner
Magneto will end this before Mewtwo know what hit him, literally.
Cool.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's not cherry picking, you're trying to use PIS as an argument.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You argued the bird making it through the storm was some kind of proof the storm was weak?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Looking for a video.You do realise a life wiping storm would kind of have killed them before they got there, yes?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video8:50 "My [b]storm
will create my own world,by destoying yours"[/b]
The canon, Japanese says.
Refuted.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Am aware, but you're trying to argue somethign which is in no way shown, alluded to, and making an assumption.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No u, allow me to explain why you're the one cherry picking...
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The shield is visible, MewTwo's hands are at his sides at rest, Magneton shoosts, MewTwo raises hand and shield to reflect the lightning bolt, Shield is [b]visible.You're now arguing lightning is slower than a bullet. We saw MewTwo's hands at his sides.
Stray lightning bolts miss humans, a pokemon intending to zap a human, such as an annoyed Pikachu in the earlier episodes, never has thier attack dodged, and you're still arguing lightning isn't lightning, GJ.
No it would not, because this is a reaction feat, and a good one, and it's even intentionally dispalyed as such. [/b]
You have to be the most bigoted member I've come across. With the speed of lightning Mewtwo would've taken out each and every member of the Rocket Gang in Mewtwo Returns. In fact, lightning is so fast it's almost invisible, the reason the human eye detects it, is because lightning consist of a number of lightning bolts.
The fact that Mewtwo showed no impressive speed feats in any of the movies is proof of that.
Also, look Poliwrath has lightning-speed reflexes (he managed to double team after Pikachu fired his thunderbolt).
I see, no point in aruing this further with you. You're not interested in the facts but rather to win the argument. Lying, ignoring and cherry picking. Yeah, I'm done with you.
