Ken vs Scorpian

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. That's speed? Also, Raiden is pretty powerful. He may have limits due to the fact that he's taken a mortal form but he's quite powerful.

2. Yeah but that was before Scorpion was amped by the Elder Gods. Also, the damage done by Akuma's explosion was not as big as Raiden's.

3. All Shujinko has to do is use all their powers in the shape of his fist and punch Akuma, ending him.

4. Looking at how durable Onaga is, I'd say Akuma would at best knock Onaga very far away but he sure isn't punching through him.

2. And said amp has not proven to make Scorpion more powerful than Gouki. Also, bullshit, the vid I showed clearly showed it was far more, hell, a younger, holding back Gouki did more damage than Raiden's suicide explosion with a punch.

3. Funny, all Gouki needs to do is punch Shujinko, ending him.

4. Durable enough to take Raiden's sissy blast, but not a punch from Gouki.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. That's cool and all. None of those abilities are particularly powerful either. Unless he can copy the sheer amount and potency of his Ki, and his own physical prowess, Shujinko is useless.

2. Apparently he had trouble against Raiden. Who is weak. Actually, didn't Taven beat him in Armageddon?

3. It's never said Shujinko can copy everything perfectly. 🙂 If he could, he would be literally the most powerful character in the series. Not to mention you act as if Gouki would need to use a specific technique to beat Shujinko.

He can dodge bullets, which means that none of the slow ass MK characters can even hit him except maybe Raiden by virtue of lightning. Why do you think he cannot move his whole body that fast? That's bad logic. He is strong enough to paste any single character in MK with one punch, based on feats, not what you believe.

1. Telekinesis is useful against Gouki. I've never seen him withstood that. Also, it was said by Onaga that Shujinko has grown more powerful than he thought so yeah, he can definitely get stronger.

2. Raiden isn't weak if he manage to give Shujinko a fight. I don't remember Taven fighting him in Armageddon.

3. Shujinko is indeed one of the most powerful characters in the series. The reason he's not THE most powerful is because he's old and his abilities are still below Shao Kahn's and Taven's.

Actually, Kabal can possibly keep up with them, since he too can move at superspeed. Also, Gouki wasn't moving this fast during his fight with Ryu so what makes you think he's gonna suddenly move this fast now?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Telekinesis is useful against Gouki. I've never seen him withstood that. Also, it was said by Onaga that Shujinko has grown more powerful than he thought so yeah, he can definitely get stronger.

2. Raiden isn't weak if he manage to give Shujinko a fight. I don't remember Taven fighting him in Armageddon.

3. Shujinko is indeed one of the most powerful characters in the series. The reason he's not THE most powerful is because he's old and his abilities are still below Shao Kahn's and Taven's.

Actually, Kabal can possibly keep up with them, since he too can move at superspeed. Also, Gouki wasn't moving this fast during his fight with Ryu so what makes you think he's gonna suddenly move this fast now?

#1: Tell that to Bison who got killed by Gouki, Bison being one of, if not THE most powerful mentalists in all of Streetfighter. And drawing even with Oro, another telekinetic user.

#2: It's strange, but Shujinko doesn't have more than about 8 techniques to his entire entire arsenal... he can copy a techniques movement, but not it's potency or other factors anyway... after all, he couldn't copy Onaga's moves...

#3: Ok, Akuma's fight with Ryu was only a test, Gouki was holding back considerably during that bout.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Yeah, Asura Senkuu is not really a teleport, is more like a high speed intangibility maneuver, as shown in the intro of SFIV. Raiden has no feats above Gouki's.

2. And said amp has not proven to make Scorpion more powerful than Gouki. Also, bullshit, the vid I showed clearly showed it was far more, hell, a younger, holding back Gouki did more damage than Raiden's suicide explosion with a punch.

3. Funny, all Gouki needs to do is punch Shujinko, ending him.

4. Durable enough to take Raiden's sissy blast, but not a punch from Gouki.

1. Besides blowing up that Onaga's Tomb and pretty much everything around it.

2. Seeing as Scorpion's ending depicts him punching through Onaga, yes he could do the same to Gouki. Also, Gouki's blast or punch wasn't as damaging as Raiden's explosion. It was close though.

3. Yeah, with a special kind of punch.

4. If Onaga can take that explosion and wasn't effected, then he can surely take that little punch from Gouki.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: Tell that to Bison who got killed by Gouki, Bison being one of, if not THE most powerful mentalists in all of Streetfighter. And drawing even with Oro, another telekinetic user.

#2: It's strange, but Shujinko doesn't have more than about 8 techniques to his entire entire arsenal... he can copy a techniques movement, but not it's potency or other factors anyway... after all, he couldn't copy Onaga's moves...

#3: Ok, Akuma's fight with Ryu was only a test, Gouki was holding back considerably during that bout.

1. Gouki cheapshotted Bison. And that's the thing; it was a draw. Gouki obviously couldn't beat him.

2. Shujinko was trained by nearly everybody in MK, so he does know more than what's shown in gameplay. Also, I wouldn't say that he couldn't copy Onaga's attacks but that it probably wouldn't be enough to beat him.

3. Fair point.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Gouki cheapshotted Bison. And that's the thing; it was a draw. Gouki obviously couldn't beat him.

2. Shujinko was trained by nearly everybody in MK, so he does know more than what's shown in gameplay. Also, I wouldn't say that he couldn't copy Onaga's attacks but that it probably wouldn't be enough to beat him.

3. Fair point.

#1: Can you prove it was a cheap shot? Nobody can ever clearly define this. and no, Bison's body was destroyed, thats not a draw, Gouki was the clear victor, and in a single strike.

#2: Again, having mentors does not nessisarily grant one all of that mentors techniques. You have to prove that Shujinko has all those skills. First and foremost, Bo' Rai Cho trained others besides Shujinko, yet they don't have his techniques.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: Can you prove it was a cheap shot? Nobody can ever clearly define this. and no, Bison's body was destroyed, thats not a draw, Gouki was the clear victor, and in a single strike.

#2: Again, having mentors does not nessisarily grant one all of that mentors techniques. You have to prove that Shujinko has all those skills. First and foremost, Bo' Rai Cho trained others besides Shujinko, yet they don't have his techniques.

1. I was talking about his fight with Oro when I said it was a draw and I think it was cannon that Gouki was the one who destroyed him and since SSF2T was the only way we get to see it, that's all I'm going by.

2. The difference is copying techniques is Shujinko's ability. It was given to him by Damashi (Onaga).

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. I was talking about his fight with Oro when I said it was a draw and I think it was cannon that Gouki was the one who destroyed him and since SSF2T was the only way we get to see it, that's all I'm going by.

2. The difference is copying techniques is Shujinko's ability. It was given to him by Damashi (Onaga).

#1.1: Yes, Bison was defeated by Gouki in a single attack, but it wasn't a cheapshot like you claimed, it was a frontal attack.

#1.2: But oro couldnt beat Gouki with all his telekinesis either, so your point is rather mute, telekinesis is a non-factor.

#2: Ok, if it is all it's cracked up to be, then why doesn't he ever use more than 8 techniques? Even in cutscenes we never see these, and if it's not shown, it's not valid.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1.1: Yes, Bison was defeated by Gouki in a single attack, but it wasn't a cheapshot like you claimed, it was a frontal attack.

#1.2: But oro couldnt beat Gouki with all his telekinesis either, so your point is rather mute, telekinesis is a non-factor.

#2: Ok, if it is all it's cracked up to be, then why doesn't he ever use more than 8 techniques? Even in cutscenes we never see these, and if it's not shown, it's not valid.

1.1 Yeah but Gouki didn't actually fight him is all I'm saying.

2. That's due to game balance is why he's only shown doing 8 moves. Really, anybody who he's fought with or trained with he knows their attacks.

#2: As I said, demonstrate the capability or it's not there.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#2: As I said, demonstrate the capability or it's not there.

Are you ignoring what he can do that's within his abilties? Because that's equivalent to me asking you to show Gouki dodging bullets or it's invalid.

2 reasons, #1: Onaga lied to him about everything else, why not lie about that?

#2: Gouki is faster than Ryu, who is a confirmed bullet dodger already, plus Ashura Senkuu.

Now, with that aside, how can you say it's within his capability? First and foremost, The most obvious aspect being he only has 8 out of potentially hundreds of techniques, severely limiting him. This could easily have been rectified by a style switch to change his movelist (Ala Shang Tsung esque morphing, but not changing his physical apperance)

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
2 reasons, #1: Onaga lied to him about everything else, why not lie about that?

#2: Gouki is faster than Ryu, who is a confirmed bullet dodger already, plus Ashura Senkuu.

Now, with that aside, how can you say it's within his capability? First and foremost, The most obvious aspect being he only has 8 out of potentially hundreds of techniques, severely limiting him. This could easily have been rectified by a style switch to change his movelist (Ala Shang Tsung esque morphing, but not changing his physical apperance)

1. Aside from the fact that it actually shows Onaga giving Shujinko his ability, Shujinko is also able to do attacks he SHOULDN'T be able to do (like his freeze attacks). Plus I doubt an older Shujinko would still believe after all these years that he can absorb fighting abilities if he really couldn't.

2. As you can see, despite Gouki not actually demonstating this ability, it's clearly within his power to do that.

Like I said before, it's due to gameplay that he only has 8 moves and always keep in mind that these moves were taken from other characters, which makes sense since he has the ability to absorb other fighting abilities.

ummmmm. i never seen gouki pull someones head off, and im pretty sure liu kang, jax, subzero, rayden, or any of the mk cast can destroy a submarine, pretty eaisily, just because they haven tried it doesnt mean they couldnt do it

Originally posted by cnorwood
ummmmm. i never seen gouki pull someones head off, and im pretty sure liu kang, jax, subzero, rayden, or any of the mk cast can destroy a submarine, pretty eaisily, just because they haven tried it doesnt mean they couldnt do it

Originally posted by NemeBro
So you're in the camp that says it is easier to destroy an island or a submarine than pull off someone's head?

Originally posted by cnorwood
i think it would be eaiser to blow up an unsuspecting submarine, than to pull off another top quality fighters head of while they are fighting.

Originally posted by cnorwood
i think it would be eaiser to blow up an unsuspecting submarine, than to pull off another top quality fighters head of while they are fighting.

haermm

Originally posted by cnorwood
i think it would be eaiser to blow up an unsuspecting submarine, than to pull off another top quality fighters head of while they are fighting.

EPIC FAIL?, that im saying one impossible thing would be eaiser than another impossible thing, quit jacking off to street fighter, and do shit in real life