Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusPretty sure he answered Thor's "I beat you before" with, "That was a clone".
Are you sure? He referred to the Thanosi clone in the Thor issues as himself or at least acknowledged it. Did Thanos ever confirm that this was him in a later appearance?Okay.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Pretty sure he answered Thor's "I beat you before" with, "That was a clone".
I don't remember any mention of that being as a Thanosi, and he was helping Thor/Genis as well, so...
Look at the scan Chomper posted on the 3rd page.
Thor questions Thanos' presence as he saw him die himself. Thanos states that death is like love making, it gets better every time. He seemed to acknowledge that it was he who died and somehow came back.
I'd have to see a scene where Thanos confirms that this was him in a later comic.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you really need me to spell it out for you? A few high end feats does not make one Skyfather level durability wise and beyond. The stance is silly.A high end Thor level feat does not a Skyfather make.
You need to re-read that issue. His hand was covered in his own energy and after the initial blast that left him knocked out, he never once took a direct attack from her.
So somewhere in that arc it was stated that while reducing herself to mortal form -which left her vulnerable- on top of her mindset, she has a power output of beyond Skyfather level? Even a feat or statement of power from another story for this incarnation of Beyonder will do.
Thor has an even more impressive feat against a copy of Thanos. Not impressed.
So how a character performs against beings wielding the Infinity Gauntlet have become valid in your eyes. Good to know.
Once again, are you referring to the last half of Infinity War? Because if you are, all I recall was Thanos taking one punch –and maybe a backhand- from Magus with an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet and said punch wasn’t even with the hand that wore the Gauntlet. That was impressive but nothing to write home about. I’m pretty sure Drax, Doom -and Thor to a lesser extent- have all taken attacks from an Infinity Gauntlet. I’d say more but Omega summed up why your example is worthless rather nicely:
The way you keep bringing up these two feats for his shields when I'm not even discussing them is amusing. And are those his shields on average? I'm pretty sure he was prepared for both those encounters. Scenes where Champion was about to break through his shield and when Thor did break through his shield leads me to say otherwise but I digress as I don't care.
What horrible logic? Would you care to point out where I even mentioned his shields in my previous post you moron?
By the way, they did get through his shields. In both instances.
If his shields are at the Omega/Galactus level, I don't think Thor's killing Thanos. If they are at the levels I've seen them at other instances, I don't think I'd take that stance.
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No it wasn’t. It wouldn't even make sense for the God Blast to hit Galactus from behind. He'd have to literally turn his back to a dangerous opponent -Ego- in battle. Here are the so called scans:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus8.jpgAs you can see, the waves of Asgardian force are flowing directly towards Galactus’.
Furthermore, nowhere in the story did it say Galactus was weakened. That was from a random annual that attributed Thor's victory to calling on the power of Odin and stated the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. Something to take into account.
Galactus was always compared to Odin in power. At least in the Thor books. Silver Age Odin easily busted Galaxies and operated on a Universal scale. In the Thor books, Galactus got the respect he deserved.
When you use that kind of logic, I honestly question the sanity in continuing a discussion with you.
You need to re-read the story and then come back to me.
At the very least his force field was turned on when Thor tossed his hammer. No he did not. Juggernaut was pushed back and was helpless.
Once again, so it sinks in, go re-read the issue. I’m tired of walking you through everything constantly. It’s annoying.
Can you please stop typing as if you were using one hand? I'm honestly tired of deciphering your posts.
So you understood that the belt of strength did not actually amp the God Blast but doubled Mjolnir's fortifications in an attempt to help it safely channel the power? That stance is dropped? Okay.
The fact that Mjolnir broke would indicate that it can't safely unleash that much power. I never argued otherwise. If Thor however can unleash a God Blast on Exitar's level is debatable. It would rely solely on whether the God Blast can be unleashed before Mjolnir is destroyed. Mjolnir being destroyed is of course going to happen for certain. I’m not debating that either.
This conversation is pointless however, Colossus stated that Thor has full use of the God Blast, and I messaged him to confirm if Thor can use his Exitar level attack. He said he can.
Out of curiousity why would you call these feats listed as high end Thanos feats of durability? Have you not learned by now that these are just normal feats for Thanos. He has hardly ANY low showings of durability throughout his entire history. I know you're getting desperate here but come on Rage, Thanos's durability should never be questioned as he has shown time and time again he is just that damn durable.
I mentioned Odin and you bring up Thor, as if he's done the same thing. I ask you this then... Which fight between Thor and Odin lasted as long as Odin's fight with Thanos? Furthermore, which fight between son and father had Thor tanking as many shots as Thanos did? OOoo that's right it doesn't exist... You make this way too easy and I was hoping for a applicable response from you, guess I'll have to wait.
Now you're bringing up Thanos had having energy around it... lol.. desperate aren't we. What on God's Green Earth does him having energy around his hand have to do with anything? he could very well charge his hands for this fight and take/deflect said Godblast. Thanos having energy around his hands, like his shields, aren't taken out by the thread starter. Once again, I expected a applicable reasonable response, and yet again, you failed me.
Are you kidding me about the Maker? You have no idea who she is do you? No need to further continue this part of the discussion. Read up on who she is.
Yet again I expected a relevant response and you continue to not be able to produce one. You bring up Thor who HAD AN AMP to his durability and power output to prove what exactly? Notice how Thanos DIDN'T have an amp and took multiple blasts and shots from a doppleganger stronger than him. Now as we know Thanos is IMO low skyfather level... a being stronger than him.. do the math. He took shots from him over and over again. YOu bring up thor with an amp fighting a Thanos clone... :facepalm:
A few questions then, since you seemed to concede a point but then seems to not. So is it your stance that the Galactus that Thor Godblast'd was written at the same level then as in recent times. I totally disagree with this, but curious what your stance is since you seemed to kinda agree yet not agree. Furthermore, you said that Galactus wasn't weakened that was hit by thor, when in fact he was weakened as shown by canon material. So then, what exactly is your stance.. was he weakened or not?
Please post the scans of the Juggs incident... How I remember it going is that Thor blast INITIALLY pushed back Juggs (which he commented on and was surprised, which is impressive) Then Juggs starting walking slightly forward, but the Godblast was powerful enough to resist said slight walking forward movement and it instead made him walk down. I'm pretty confident Juggs was slightly walking forward after initially being stopped dead in his track. That is why the ground gave way...
I also find it amusing that Thor can use a Godblast that required him to have the belt of strength around it to pull off and yet it still broke. So now thor is giving the belt of strength wrapped around mjolnir? Funny how that was never ever said in the opening post, and yet now, he gets an amp to its durability lol. It matters not, as you brought up an instances that was barred from use considering the OP. Whether you got it allowed or not, doesn't change the fact that you brought up something not applicable at the time.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i forgot to add PC Darkseid and the source(pre anti equation)
bada please add them for me
Curious... so your intent for Thor in this thread is to have the belt of strength wrapped about Mjolnir even though we've only seen that once and it even broke then? Really...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Out of curiousity why would you call these feats listed as high end Thanos feats of durability? Have you not learned by now that these are just normal feats for Thanos. He has hardly ANY low showings of durability throughout his entire history. I know you're getting desperate here but come on Rage, Thanos's durability should never be questioned as he has shown time and time again he is just that damn durable.
Do I really have to post examples of Thanos being hurt or affected by attacks below what you consider his amazing norm?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I mentioned Odin and you bring up Thor, as if he's done the same thing. I ask you this then... Which fight between Thor and Odin lasted as long as Odin's fight with Thanos? Furthermore, which fight between son and father had Thor tanking as many shots as Thanos did? OOoo that's right it doesn't exist... You make this way too easy and I was hoping for a applicable response from you, guess I'll have to wait.
He has. I’m referring to the fight where Odin was possessed by Infinity. Thor withstands 5 direct assaults from Odin and is unharmed. Not too different from the number of attacks Thanos withstood from Odin.
Why do you do that? Why do you ask me for proof then go on to say I don’t have said proof in the same sentence? It doesn’t make your arguments look more concrete. It just makes you look sillier.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now you're bringing up Thanos had having energy around it... lol.. desperate aren't we. What on God's Green Earth does him having energy around his hand have to do with anything? he could very well charge his hands for this fight and take/deflect said Godblast. Thanos having energy around his hands, like his shields, aren't taken out by the thread starter. Once again, I expected a applicable reasonable response, and yet again, you failed me.
shock/facepalm
I am not even going to justify the sheer stupidity in this paragraph with a real response.
Are you purposefully turning up your Thanos fanboyism?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you kidding me about the Maker? You have no idea who she is do you? No need to further continue this part of the discussion. Read up on who she is.
Concession accepted? Concession accepted.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet again I expected a relevant response and you continue to not be able to produce one. You bring up Thor who HAD AN AMP to his durability and power output to prove what exactly? Notice how Thanos DIDN'T have an amp and took multiple blasts and shots from a doppleganger stronger than him. Now as we know Thanos is IMO low skyfather level... a being stronger than him.. do the math. He took shots from him over and over again. YOu bring up thor with an amp fighting a Thanos clone... :facepalm:
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No amp for Thor. Significant amp for Thanos clone who was about to bring death across the Universe as I recall.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A few questions then, since you seemed to concede a point but then seems to not. So is it your stance that the Galactus that Thor Godblast'd was written at the same level then as in recent times. I totally disagree with this, but curious what your stance is since you seemed to kinda agree yet not agree. Furthermore, you said that Galactus wasn't weakened that was hit by thor, when in fact he was weakened as shown by canon material. So then, what exactly is your stance.. was he weakened or not?
Lol. My stance is that Galactus was nearly as high up the food chain then as he was now. Odin was nearly at the cream of the crop and was capable of casually busting Galaxies. His rogue persona was about to bring death across the Universe, yet Galactus was still stated to be as powerful as him from nearly day 1 in the Thor books. Lee respected Galactus and his power. At least in the Thor books. He just wasn’t flushed out as this non emotional Cosmic Being back then.
In regards to Galactus’ power level: He was not stated or shown to be weakened anywhere in the original story. In fact, while Thor was in search of Galactus, it stated Galactus had gone through a system, ravaging entire planets. A writer -who I still believe didn’t read the actual story- stated that Galactus was weakened and drained from battling Ego and Thor defeated him by calling on the power of Odin. I call bullshit on that. However, if you want to accept it, I’m fine with that because as you said, it should be cannon. We don't get to pick and choose what counts. I do however wonder whether you accept that the Destroyer has the power to destroy Galactus as stated in that same box of text. In this situation, I only care that you’re consistent.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please post the scans of the Juggs incident... How I remember it going is that Thor blast INITIALLY pushed back Juggs (which he commented on and was surprised, which is impressive) Then Juggs starting walking slightly forward, but the Godblast was powerful enough to resist said slight walking forward movement and it instead made him walk down. I'm pretty confident Juggs was slightly walking forward after initially being stopped dead in his track. That is why the ground gave way...
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut14.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut15.jpg
Like I said, he never moved forward against the God Blast. He tried to regain his forward momentum. He never managed to. Usually I’d insult you and mock you for even trying to argue against me on this point, but I’m in a good mood.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I also find it amusing that Thor can use a Godblast that required him to have the belt of strength around it to pull off and yet it still broke. So now thor is giving the belt of strength wrapped around mjolnir? Funny how that was never ever said in the opening post, and yet now, he gets an amp to its durability lol. It matters not, as you brought up an instances that was barred from use considering the OP. Whether you got it allowed or not, doesn't change the fact that you brought up something not applicable at the time.
One more time. The belt of strength did not do anything to amp the God Blast itself. The belt of strength was used to amp Mjolnir’s fortifications to the point it could safely channel such power. It did not succeed. I will admit that the Exitar scene isn’t as clear cut as other God Blast examples, but said level of God Blast being unleashed depends entirely on whether or not Mjolnir breaks before Thor releases the God Blast. Whether that happens or not is what would be in question. Mjolnir will break either way of course. That’s not in debate. Do you understand?
It should also be noted that Thor was exhausted at the time he produced the Exitar God Blast. But like I said in my previous post, Colossus has confirmed that Thor can use the Exitar level God Blast, so there's nothing to really debate.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do I really have to post examples of Thanos being hurt or affected by attacks below what you consider his amazing norm?He has. I’m referring to the fight where Odin was possessed by Infinity. Thor withstands 5 direct assaults from Odin and is unharmed. Not too different from the number of attacks Thanos withstood from Odin.
Why do you do that? Why do you ask me for proof then go on to say I don’t have said proof in the same sentence? It doesn’t make your arguments look more concrete. It just makes you look sillier.
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I am not even going to justify the sheer stupidity in this paragraph with a real response.
Are you purposefully turning up your Thanos fanboyism?
Concession accepted? Concession accepted.
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AmpedThanosDefeated.jpgNo amp for Thor. Significant amp for Thanos clone who was about to bring death across the Universe as I recall.
Lol. My stance is that Galactus was nearly as high up the food chain then as he was now. Odin was nearly at the cream of the crop and was capable of casually busting Galaxies. His rogue persona was about to bring death across the Universe, yet Galactus was still stated to be as powerful as him from nearly day 1 in the Thor books. Lee respected Galactus and his power. At least in the Thor books. He just wasn’t flushed out as this non emotional Cosmic Being back then.
In regards to Galactus’ power level: He was not stated or shown to be weakened anywhere in the original story. In fact, while Thor was in search of Galactus, it stated Galactus had gone through a system, ravaging entire planets. A writer -who I still believe didn’t read the actual story- stated that Galactus was weakened and drained from battling Ego and Thor defeated him by calling on the power of Odin. I call bullshit on that. However, if you want to accept it, I’m fine with that because as you said, it should be cannon. We don't get to pick and choose what counts. I do however wonder whether you accept that the Destroyer has the power to destroy Galactus as stated in that same box of text. In this situation, I only care that you’re consistent.
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut14.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WeakThorvsJuggernaut15.jpgLike I said, he never moved forward against the God Blast. He tried to regain his forward momentum. He never managed to. Usually I’d insult you and mock you for even trying to argue against me on this point, but I’m in a good mood.
One more time. The belt of strength did not do anything to amp the God Blast itself. The belt of strength was used to amp Mjolnir’s fortifications to the point it could safely channel such power. It did not succeed. I will admit that the Exitar scene isn’t as clear cut as other God Blast examples, but said level of God Blast being unleashed depends entirely on whether or not Mjolnir breaks before Thor releases the God Blast. Whether that happens or not is what would be in question. Mjolnir will break either way of course. That’s not in debate. Do you understand?
It should also be noted that Thor was exhausted at the time he produced the Exitar God Blast. But like I said in my previous post, Colossus has confirmed that Thor can use the Exitar level God Blast, so there's nothing to really debate.
Yes please post examples of Thanos being KO'd and his durability not living up to his average showings. You know as well as I do that there are MORE examples of Thanos's durability being top notch on average. If you care to disagree and you think you have more examples then we can begin. If not concede the point.
Yet again you failed me Rage. This is becoming routine for you during our discussion isn't it. You gave me an example where Thor DIDN'T take the shots that Thanos did from Odin. Thanos took more than 5 shots from Odin and fire back at Odin, and tried to engage Odin h2h. All these things make your example irrelant. I want an example of Thor taking the amount of damage Thanos did and a fight lasting as long. Please don't post another failed example for the second time on this point. Either that or concede you bringing up Thor and trying to compare his fight with Odin to Thanos's fight weren't the same.
Sheer stupidity on your part is what I was responding to. Thanos backhanding point blank shots from a powerful person means what? To you it means it doesn't count and didn't hit him since his hands were charged.. WTF LOL. No it hit his hands period. Furthermore, it matters not as there is nothing taking away him charging his hands or using his shields. Thus like the previous points you tried to make you failed yet again.
Did you asy Thor had NO amp for their fight? Are you kidding me? Only he had the belt of strength and Odin force empowerment. How on God's Green Earth did Thor have no amp? Stop failing me. JESUS.
Okay so you concede Galactus wasn't quite as high as he is now... that is fine.. You also concede that Galactus wasn't well fed.. that is also fine and were the points I was making.
Lastly, let me ask you something... If juggs wasn't slightly moving forward... why would the groud give way. If it was a even struggle juggs would be stationary not going down or have the ground give way.. If thor was pushing him back.. he would be going back. He was fighting against the godblast power and moving forward slightly.. thus the ground gave way because the godblast was strong enough to have him not go directly forward but down. I'm not sure why this alludes you.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes please post examples of Thanos being KO'd and his durability not living up to his average showings. You know as well as I do that there are MORE examples of Thanos's durability being top notch on average. If you care to disagree and you think you have more examples then we can begin. If not concede the point.
baka
Do you really want me to post a scene of Thanos being knocked out?
That depends on what you consider top notch. I do admit that Thanos has less low showings than other characters. His had the benefits of clones and being mostly handled by one writer.
That still doesn't mean that Thanos has Skyfather level and beyond durability.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet again you failed me Rage. This is becoming routine for you during our discussion isn't it. You gave me an example where Thor DIDN'T take the shots that Thanos did from Odin. Thanos took more than 5 shots from Odin and fire back at Odin, and tried to engage Odin h2h. All these things make your example irrelant. I want an example of Thor taking the amount of damage Thanos did and a fight lasting as long. Please don't post another failed example for the second time on this point. Either that or concede you bringing up Thor and trying to compare his fight with Odin to Thanos's fight weren't the same.
Lol. You need to re-read that fight. Odin attacks Thanos 4 times and unleashes one assault near the end with Gungnir (The first attack was blocked apparently by a force field so we should technically make it 3.) That's no different from what Thor managed.
You don't seem to understand that you don't have to be Skyfather level to do what Thanos did against Odin.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sheer stupidity on your part is what I was responding to. Thanos backhanding point blank shots from a powerful person means what? To you it means it doesn't count and didn't hit him since his hands were charged.. WTF LOL. No it hit his hands period. Furthermore, it matters not as there is nothing taking away him charging his hands or using his shields. Thus like the previous points you tried to make you failed yet again.
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The energy that Thanos was using to deflect and block her attacks were covering and emanating from his hands. Do you not see how stupid it is to try and pass that off as an actual durability feat for Thanos?
If the Maker's attacks were something he could withstand, it'd be pointless to attempt and deflect all of her energy in the first place. And we know her energy might not likely be something he could tank since she previously one shotted him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you asy Thor had NO amp for their fight? Are you kidding me? Only he had the belt of strength and Odin force empowerment. How on God's Green Earth did Thor have no amp? Stop failing me. JESUS.
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The scans I posted were from before he received any of those.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay so you concede Galactus wasn't quite as high as he is now... that is fine.. You also concede that Galactus wasn't well fed.. that is also fine and were the points I was making.
He probably wasn't high up the food chain because the boundaries weren't so defined back then. That doesn't somehow negate the feat or make it any less impressive. Decades later the God Blast was still able to give pause to Exitar and in the Thor books, Celestials were above Galactus in power. Galactus was a Universal force back then as well.
If your trying to argue that Galactus was weakened in that story to somehow undermine the God Blast's feat, do you also agree that the Destroyer can destroy Galactus? I only care that you consistent in this situation. If you refuse to accept said statement, then I'll argue that Galactus wasn't hungry in their first encounter. Opposite most likely.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lastly, let me ask you something... If juggs wasn't slightly moving forward... why would the groud give way. If it was a even struggle juggs would be stationary not going down or have the ground give way.. If thor was pushing him back.. he would be going back. He was fighting against the godblast power and moving forward slightly.. thus the ground gave way because the godblast was strong enough to have him not go directly forward but down. I'm not sure why this alludes you.
Stop being so f*cking stupid.
It's right there on the page. Juggernaut was not moving forward. He was pushed back, tried to regain his forward momentum and the concrete gave way due to the pressure. Stop projecting your fallacious views when the seen is so damn clear cut.
It's more likely that Juggernaut attempted to stop his backward movement by planting his feet -to no avail- and the ground simply gave way than your stupid reasoning.
