Originally posted by Space M ummy
Classic Thor used mjolnir to drain a bomb capable of destroying a galaxy and ignited a dead star with it. WWH's energy levels really aren't that impressive in comparison.
Originally posted by Psychopath001
Thor gets humiliated.Unless it's RKT. Honestly, I think RKT was pretty over the top. But then again, Hulk should still be able to beat RKT. I mean, let's face the facts, it's not like RKT ever really confronted anyone with the hulk's incredible level of durability >.>
So yeah, I give it to Hulk, regardless of which Thor shows up.
WOW u can't be serious!!!!
and Thor wins
Lol.
So we're using the words of Cosmic Beings as proof of power? In particular the Beyonder's? I'm talking to Janus by the way.
Originally posted by janus77
no he didn't. you're mixing up the return of regular Hulk (at the end of the last issue of Hulk) with the time that Banner got pissed off (post Rulk gamma drain) and briefly went WBH.also, WBH wasn't "defeated", he was fighting against himself and helping them drain his excess energies. plus the satellite was configured and repurposed by the Intelligencia, who knows what kinda tech it took to work it. what's clear is that it wasn't easy and it wasn't lasting.
I know Surfer's drained herald level characters, but I've not seen Thor do it, so I doubt this would work on regular Hulk, let alone WBH.
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I think your talking about Skaar #11 when the Hulk goes World Breaker due to Skaar's coaxing for a few moments and Banner restrains that personality. Rulk drained the Hulk in #600 and he recently returned #610 as the World Breaker due to all the energy he absorbed. In between that period, he hasn't been able to become the Hulk as far as I know (I think he came pretty close in the "List" when Osborn exposed him to excessive amounts of Gamma Radiation. It's what triggered the Gamma Mutation to go faster I believe.). In short, the energy drainage was successful for a long time which is what I believe you asked an example of.
He was trying to control his strength that's all as far as I could tell. It wasn't easy but it definitely lasted long enough to count as a win.
Mjolnir's energy absorption operates above the limits of regular heralds. It will drain the Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.So we're using the words of Cosmic Beings as proof of power? In particular the Beyonder's? I'm talking to Janus by the way.
the feats estsblish that so far, a limit has not been reached.
😕I think your talking about Skaar #11 when the Hulk goes World Breaker due to Skaar's coaxing for a few moments and Banner restrains that personality. Rulk drained the Hulk in #600 and he recently returned #610 as the World Breaker due to all the energy he absorbed. In between that period, he hasn't been able to become the Hulk as far as I know (I think he came pretty close in the "List" when Osborn exposed him to excessive amounts of Gamma Radiation. It's what triggered the Gamma Mutation to go faster I believe.). In short, the energy drainage was successful for a long time which is what I believe you asked an example of.
He was trying to control his strength that's all as far as I could tell. It wasn't easy but it definitely lasted long enough to count as a win.
Mjolnir's energy absorption operates above the limits of regular heralds. It will drain the Hulk.
it's difficult to image Thor even being capable of draining Savage Hulk. imo he stands no chance against any of the more focussed Hulk personas.
which herald figures (ones that have control over and can absorb energies) has Thor drained?
While people are talking about the factor of rage, they seem to be forgetting about Thor's rage.
The Shirt of the Bear, better known as Warrior Madness is just as much of a threat as WBH.
Look at Thor's performance in BLOOD AND THUNDER. Even more importantly, Odin stated that Thor wasn't in a true state of Warrior Madness during that storyline.
Warrior Madness Thor beats WBH in addition to the classic and Rune King versions.
Originally posted by janus77
that was in reference to arbitrary speculation. the evidence, from statements, 'tests' etcetera points towards 'infinite'.the feats estsblish that so far, a limit has not been reached.
Uhuh. I don't completely agree, but fine.
Originally posted by janus77
yes, got my order of events wrong, but clearly he was not 'drained' by the satellites, merely somehow subdued. Rulk's actions are not valid proof because, like the virus used against Hulk in WWH, they use Hulk's own power to achieve something nothing else (years of research and testing by Banner, Reed et al included) has ever managed.it's difficult to image Thor even being capable of draining Savage Hulk. imo he stands no chance against any of the more focussed Hulk personas.
The satellites were sabotaged to absorb World Breaker's energy. They did so and the Hulk was forced to revert back to Banner. He was drained of his power. It's pretty straight forward. Lol. Rulk being gamma powered doesn't somehow negate the fact that he was able to drain the Hulk of his power. Not true. Surfer for one has been capable of draining him of his power like Rulk did.
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Originally posted by janus77
which herald figures (ones that have control over and can absorb energies) has Thor drained?
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I love how Thor's power has devout Christians questioning their faith.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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you know, this just shows my belief that it is in Thor's character to kill. He wont take a human life but everything else is fair game. and if he's pissed enough and the threat is large enough, he will kill his enemies. like what he usually do to frost giants.
Let's talk about this absolute victory over the Hulk using means such as; Soul destuction, and the more popular gamma absorbtion theories. Why is it a clear cut victory that Thor is going to be able to tag the Hulk with such tactics? WHo said that it was an auto win?
Is the Hulk a static and unmoving object? No he isn't, all of this talk is purely one sided and has gained anyone using it as a means to make a solid point ignorant to the fact that the Hulk that we are talking about here is not a dumb beast.
I will be the first to agree that Rune King Thor, and King Thor would beat World Breaker Hulk with ease, all they would need do is open a nifty tele-tube and banish him to some hellish plane where he would either die or rule that plane of existence.
Regular Thor on the other hand is not going to beat World Breaker Hulk in his wildest dreams. he had fits with Professor Hulk when they battled in the arctic, and to top it off he was in Warrior Madness Mode, and was still bfr'ed.
World Breaker Hulk was leagues above Professor Hulk in the strength dept. Someone asked for valid feats of strength concerning the Green King of Sakaar, who was at a level inferior to World Breaker Hulk.
Pay attention. The Hulk lifted an entire continent, shifted it, and held it in place to stop an entire planet from exploding, and although this took effort on his part, it was not beyond his scope to increase his strength if he needed to.
Let's talk about his damage soak, and realize that it was the strength of his body that kept him from dying. Black Bolts Skrull double tore a chunk of the moon off assaulting the Hulk and it did little more than piss him off.
The Human Torch and Storm held nothing back when they collectively Nova blasted him, and sent down huge arcs of lightning, and he still was unfazed by thier assault.
Lets talk reflex speed, and the assumption that he could avoid being drained by Thor. The Sentry has been seen to move at light or better speeds, and yet when he flew full speed at the Hulk in WWHulk 5, he flew directly into the Hulks fist... Hmmm food for thought.
Let's talk about World Breaker Mode, for a split second. The Hulk had to fight himself from destoying the world, and as we all know, it was one foot fall that nearly tore the entire east coast off, and as I said he was fighting himself from doing this. Yet he still caused considerable damage.
Let's talk about this soul devouring technique, and what would happen if such a thing occured. "Please if you don't know what you're talking about refrain from saying a thing".
The Hulks body without Banner is souless, and can survive without Banner for an unknown period of time, but will eventually die. Thor would make a huge mistake if he did this, because there would be no one to stop the souless body of the Hulk at this level of power from destroying the Earth and defeating Thor as well if not outright killing him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's talk about this absolute victory over the Hulk using means such as; Soul destuction, and the more popular gamma absorbtion theories. Why is it a clear cut victory that Thor is going to be able to tag the Hulk with such tactics? WHo said that it was an auto win?
Because he can. The comics did.
Originally posted by Stoic
Is the Hulk a static and unmoving object? No he isn't, all of this talk is purely one sided and has gained anyone using it as a means to make a solid point ignorant to the fact that the Hulk that we are talking about here is not a dumb beast.
It doesn't matter if the Hulk's mobile. Thor can draw energy from all directions into his hammer.
Originally posted by Stoic
I will be the first to agree that Rune King Thor, and King Thor would beat World Breaker Hulk with ease, all they would need do is open a nifty tele-tube and banish him to some hellish plane where he would either die or rule that plane of existence.
Classic Thor can do this too just so you know.
Originally posted by Stoic
Regular Thor on the other hand is not going to beat World Breaker Hulk in his wildest dreams. he had fits with Professor Hulk when they battled in the arctic, and to top it off he was in Warrior Madness Mode, and was still bfr'ed.
Not true. If by the Professor Hulk, you mean a Hulk who had his mental fail safe guard removed, had his anger=stronger factor in full gear, and was raging to the point that Samson stated he had never seen him as angry, then I agree, it was Professor Hulk. Battle field removal? He caught Thor with an uppercut that sent him flying up into the upper atmosphere. That's not battle field removal as Thor would have returned to the fight in moments if not for the Nuclear Explosion. Don't try the Warrior Madness tactic.
Originally posted by Stoic
World Breaker Hulk was leagues above Professor Hulk in the strength dept. Someone asked for valid feats of strength concerning the Green King of Sakaar, who was at a level inferior to World Breaker Hulk.
You know, I find it amusing that I seem to know more about the Hulk than actual Hulk fans. I mean I don't even really like the Hulk outside of Green Scar.
Originally posted by Stoic
Pay attention. The Hulk lifted an entire continent, shifted it, and held it in place to stop an entire planet from exploding, and although this took effort on his part, it was not beyond his scope to increase his strength if he needed to.
When did the Hulk lift an entire continent? And I'm not impressed.
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's talk about his damage soak, and realize that it was the strength of his body that kept him from dying. Black Bolts Skrull double tore a chunk of the moon off assaulting the Hulk and it did little more than piss him off.The Human Torch and Storm held nothing back when they collectively Nova blasted him, and sent down huge arcs of lightning, and he still was unfazed by thier assault.
Who's arguing that Thor's going to put him down by overcoming his damage soak?
Originally posted by Stoic
Lets talk reflex speed, and the assumption that he could avoid being drained by Thor. The Sentry has been seen to move at light or better speeds, and yet when he flew full speed at the Hulk in WWHulk 5, he flew directly into the Hulks fist... Hmmm food for thought.
I don't see how reflexes would help him avoid being drained. And you said it yourself, the Sentry flew into the Hulk's fists. The Sentry was literally giving him free shots to the face.
The Hulk has more concrete speed feats than that.
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's talk about World Breaker Mode, for a split second. The Hulk had to fight himself from destoying the world, and as we all know, it was one foot fall that nearly tore the entire east coast off, and as I said he was fighting himself from doing this. Yet he still caused considerable damage.Let's talk about this soul devouring technique, and what would happen if such a thing occured. "Please if you don't know what you're talking about refrain from saying a thing".
The Hulks body without Banner is souless, and can survive without Banner for an unknown period of time, but will eventually die. Thor would make a huge mistake if he did this, because there would be no one to stop the souless body of the Hulk at this level of power from destroying the Earth and defeating Thor as well if not outright killing him.
How do you know what effect removing Banner's soul would have on Green Scar? One of the main things that separates this incarnation from others is that they had achieved a balance. A synchronization. He seemed to be more powerful for it.
Removing Banner might wreck havoc on him. Without Banner, he might start weakening and dying even faster in this incarnation.
And out of curiosity, do we know for certain that the Hulk himself has no soul? I'm not sure either way. I think his been described as soul less monster etc. by some beings.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because he can. The comics did.It doesn't matter if the Hulk's mobile. Thor can draw energy from all directions into his hammer.
Classic Thor can do this too just so you know.
Not true. If by the Professor Hulk, you mean a Hulk who had his mental fail safe guard removed, had his anger=stronger factor in full gear, and was raging to the point that Samson stated he had never seen him as angry, then I agree, it was Professor Hulk. Battle field removal? He caught Thor with an uppercut that sent him flying up into the upper atmosphere. That's not battle field removal as Thor would have returned to the fight in moments if not for the Nuclear Explosion. Don't try the Warrior Madness tactic.
You know, I find it amusing that I seem to know more about the Hulk than actual Hulk fans. I mean I don't even really like the Hulk outside of Green Scar.
When did the Hulk lift an entire continent? And I'm not impressed.
Who's arguing that Thor's going to put him down by overcoming his damage soak?
I don't see how reflexes would help him avoid being drained. And you said it yourself, the Sentry flew into the Hulk's fists. The Sentry was literally giving him free shots to the face.
The Hulk has more concrete speed feats than that.
How do you know what effect removing Banner's soul would have on Green Scar? One of the main things that separates this incarnation from others is that they had achieved a balance. A synchronization. He seemed to be more powerful for it.
Removing Banner might wreck havoc on him. Without Banner, he might start weakening and dying even faster in this incarnation.
And out of curiosity, do we know for certain that the Hulk himself has no soul? I'm not sure either way. I think his been described as soul less monster etc. by some beings.
You danced around everything that was posted, everything that I stated was in the comics themselves, not made up scenario's that you just posted, I'm not here to tell you how to properly debate, but to attempt to raise yourself up as someones superior isn't the right way to go about it.
Professor Hulk was clearly Thor's superior in the strength dept. showing his superiority by hand palming his face, chucking him into the arctic ocean like a child, and other such feats. Thor's eyes became red, and it was assumed that he entered Warrior Madness, which did not stop him from being slammed once more, and thrown away from the blast site, by an inferior Hulk than either WWHulk or World Breaker hulk.
You obviously don't know as much about the Hulk as you would like people to subscribe to, or you would know that the Hulk has on two occasions been seperated from Banner. The Hulk without Banner is in fact souless and mindless, as seen when he beat up on both teams of Avengers which included classic Thors peer the Immortal Hercules.
Let's talk about this invincible Thor that you want people to belive is such and such. Does anyone recall Mr. Hyde running into Thor and actually hurting him? Hyde did pass out, but Thor was anything but alright after the collision. This happened when the Masters of Evil beat herc into a coma, and took over the Avengers Mansion way back in the day.
As I stated earlier The Hulk that we are disscussing was not a dumb animal, he was actually and arguably more tactically sound than Thor. Possessing the intellect of one of the most brilliant scientists on Marvel Earth.
The Hulk was sucker punched when he was drained, as he had no idea what Tony was doing, and had he known he would have probably welcomed it. As Amadeus Cho pointed out, The Hulk is not a killer, but had all of the power to destroy every person on earth while in World Breaker Mode.
You didn't offer any concrete evidence that a tactic like gamma absorption would be a decisive victory for Thor, The Hulk has been seen on many occasions to tunnel beneath the earth, at impressive speeds. See we can all use non canon scenario's to suit our arguments!
As I stated RK Thor and King Thor would win and this thread is spite on a grand scale. This is all that matters.
RK Thor 10/10 ftw.
King Thor 10/10 ftw
Classic Thor 1/10 ftl
