Nah, Amon sucks now.
IDK, I'll probably re-watch LoK in a few weeks and see how he stacks up after his reveal as a loser.
That's what I said. You don't find her interesting, but that doesn't make her overrated. You're just missing the point and aren't able to gather up any sympathy for her. That doesn't mean that the point doesn't exist.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelWell if that doesnt make for an interesting character i dont know what does. Most of the TLAB were too basic for my taste. Azula's paychological state and background is what made her likable. Amon had potential to be a better villain than Azula but the revelation screwed it up. As for Ozai... Imo he was never interesting. Stereotypical 2 dimensional "bad guy" character whose sole purpose Was - to get his ass handed to him by the hero during the final battle. He was just there because they needed a "main villain". But as a character he was poor and undeveloped. Frankly Mark Hammil's voice was the only good thing about him. Imo.
The underlined portion is in why. She's really not that interesting(she's a girl with an obvious psychological problem) and as for complex...well [b]maybe but then again I'm not comparing her to the other characters of the show. I'm honestly too tired to think of how complex they are. I like Amon better as a villain(and Ozai to be honest because they didn't try to make him oh so sympathetic like Azula). And you can see worse in kids shows. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, Amon sucks now.IDK, I'll probably re-watch LoK in a few weeks and see how he stacks up after his reveal as a loser.
That's what I said. You don't find her interesting, but that doesn't make her overrated. You're just missing the point and aren't able to gather up any sympathy for her. That doesn't mean that the point doesn't exist.
Least he didn't go out bawling.
He sucks is how. uhuh
Not true. For instance, some people don't find Sasuke sympathetic and some do. The people who don't aren't really missing anything. They just weren't made to care. The story failed to make them care. Azula is no different(and is less sympathetic by the way).
Originally posted by SamZED
Well if that doesnt make for an interesting character i dont know what does. Most of the TLAB were too basic for my taste. Azula's paychological state and background is what made her likable. Amon had potential to be a better villain than Azula but the revelation screwed it up. As for Ozai... Imo he was never interesting. Stereotypical 2 dimensional "bad guy" character whose sole purpose Was - to get his ass handed to him by the hero during the final battle. He was just there because they needed a "main villain". But as a character he was poor and undeveloped. Frankly Mark Hammil's voice was the only good thing about him. Imo.
I tend to be more interested in characters like Bumi, Iroh, Amon(before his reveal). Characters that you'd like to know more about. I even kinda want to see how Amon lived after leaving, even though he wasn't very engaging at the end, which is I think the word that should be used in place of interesting. And I disagree. Those things didn't make Azula likable. I liked her before all of that was revealed. It was designed to make her sympathetic and to me it failed. The reveal didn't ruin it for me. And Ozai was awesome. Original? No(then again, crazy psycho with parent issues isn't either) but it's execution that matters.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Least he didn't go out bawling.He sucks is how. uhuh
Not true. For instance, some people don't find Sasuke sympathetic and some do. The people who don't aren't really missing anything. They just weren't made to care. The story failed to make them care. Azula is no different(and is less sympathetic by the way).
Maybe if he did I would have felt something other than crushing disappointment. Also he did cry so **** you.
At least compared to Azula. smurph
We've had this argument before and you lost. Please do not force me to crush you again. I actually like you and these are new shoes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe if he did I would have felt something other than crushing disappointment. Also he did cry so **** you.At least compared to Azula. smurph
We've had this argument before and you lost. Please do not force me to crush you again. I actually like you and these are new shoes.
Single tear=/= Bawling.
Mako is far beneath Azula yes. Well, not THE Mako.
I distinctly remember arguing it with NemeBro and him quitting(because it was boring, not because either lost). I remember talking with you about it but that's about it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Single tear=/= Bawling.Mako is far beneath Azula yes. Well, not THE Mako.
I distinctly remember arguing it with NemeBro and him quitting(because it was boring, not because either lost). I remember talking with you about it but that's about it.
You're splitting hairs bro.
THE Mako is THE SHIT. Mako is lame, though I'll add that he was an alright character until episode 9 or something.
Yeah, I kicked your ass and both you and Nemebro stopped arguing. But Sasuke isn't even nearly as sympathetic a character as Azula. With Azula we can actually see her downfall, and she expresses how much she's collapsing from her own issues and pressure. When she loses her composure we're with her every step of the way and its impactful because of that. As you said, its the execution that matters. 😉
Sasuke turned into a psychopath because **** you thats why.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I tend to be more interested in characters like Bumi, Iroh, Amon(before his reveal). Characters that you'd like to know more about. I even kinda want to see how Amon lived after leaving, even though he wasn't very engaging at the end, which is I think the word that should be used in place of interesting. And I disagree. Those things didn't make Azula likable. I liked her before all of that was revealed. It was designed to make her sympathetic and to me it failed. The reveal didn't ruin it for me. And Ozai was awesome. Original? No(then again, crazy psycho with parent issues isn't either) but it's execution that matters.
Originally posted by Nephthys"Ooooh! I'm evil 'cause i'm evil! Ooooh! Wan't to rule the world!"... pretty much his whole thing... 😬
👆Ozai was awful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're splitting hairs bro.THE Mako is THE SHIT. Mako is lame, though I'll add that he was an alright character until episode 9 or something.
Yeah, I kicked your ass and both you and Nemebro stopped arguing. But Sasuke isn't even nearly as sympathetic a character as Azula. With Azula we can actually see her downfall, and she expresses how much she's collapsing from her own issues and pressure. When she loses her composure we're with her every step of the way and its impactful because of that. As you said, its the execution that matters. 😉
Sasuke turned into a psychopath because **** you thats why.
Unlike Azula, who is too busy cutting it off. /best joke ever.
Nah. Hated him from day 1.
Dun remember. And downfall from what? Sanity? She's always been crazy. We saw her become even more crazy. Yay. How sympathetic. No but seriously, I'm not going to feel bad for the person that has been bad pretty much her entire life, gleefully enjoying it along the way.
Sasuke's is actually much easier to track because his MS parallels it.
Originally posted by SamZED
I agree that execution matters, but crazy psycho with daddy issues imo is an understatment. I dont mind lack of originality as long as the character is overall well developed. And that was the case with Azula. Iroh is actually one other character I was very interested in. Simply because he's one of the few characters who you couldnt help but care about. Didn't see a reason why I should care about Ozai tbh.
You only cared about Azula and Iroh? And you should care about Ozai because he is the strongest non-Avatar bender in the show(excluding I guess Bloodbenders...**** bloodbending) and is about to torch a continent. He's a threat, that's why you care.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Calling Azula a crazy psycho with daddy issues is like calling Zuko an angsty boy with daddy issues. Or the Joker a crazy clown anarchist. You're being disingenuous.
Not true. Zuko is in fact more than that. Azula is a psycho who enjoyed being a horrible person and ultimately had to deal with the fact that it pushed everyone she...well, "loved" might be too strong a word. Did she regret what she'd done? I guess(honestly do not remember much of season 3 at all). Did she act on those regrets to make things right? Nope.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unlike Azula, who is too busy cutting it off. /best joke ever.Nah. Hated him from day 1.
Dun remember. And downfall from what? Sanity? She's always been crazy. We saw her become even more crazy. Yay. How sympathetic. No but seriously, I'm not going to feel bad for the person that has been bad pretty much her entire life, gleefully enjoying it along the way.
Sasuke's is actually much easier to track because his MS parallels it.
Nyuk nyuk nyuk!
He wasn't bad until he started cheating on Asami. Of course, I always wanted Asami to dump his ass and get with Korra, but Mako was still an alright guy.
You must have watched a different series because Azula was pretty much the opposite of crazy for most of it. She was in complete control at all times. To the point where she takes over the largest city in the world through sheer force of personality. After Ty Lee and Mai betray her though she loses her cool and begins a downwards spiral into a gibbering madwoman in the final episode. Its incredibly compelling to watch imo.
His Sharingan? **** his Sharingan. Sasuke was done well in Part 1 since you can actually understand why he turns traitor at the end but then in Part 2 he becomes a complete joke character-wise. After hs fight with Bee he goes insane because *insert reason here*. Sasuke is an awful character.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You only cared about Azula and Iroh? And you should care about Ozai because he is the strongest non-Avatar bender in the show(excluding I guess Bloodbenders...**** bloodbending) and is about to torch a continent. He's a threat, that's why you care.
Power level is great but doesn't really makes someone interesting. It can make a character MORE interesting if it's a little side of him/her, but if it's all there is then no amount of giant fireballs or lighnings will make me give a crap.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He wasn't bad until he started cheating on Asami. Of course, I always wanted Asami to dump his ass and get with Korra, but Mako was still an alright guy.You must have watched a different series because Azula was pretty much the opposite of crazy for most of it. She was in complete control at all times. To the point where she takes over the largest city in the world through sheer force of personality. After Ty Lee and Mai betray her though she loses her cool and begins a downwards spiral into a gibbering madwoman in the final episode. Its incredibly compelling to watch imo.
His Sharingan? **** his Sharingan. Sasuke was done well in Part 1 since you can actually understand why he turns traitor at the end but then in Part 2 he becomes a complete joke character-wise. After hs fight with Bee he goes insane because *insert reason here*. Sasuke is an awful character.
As did I. And nah, he wasn't. He was a douche.
...She smiled when her brother was scared for life, gleefully told him that his father would kill him, had contempt for her uncle for being sad over his only son's death...she's clearly not a well person. She's composed but also insane. Ty Lee and Mai betraying her merely made her lose composure.
Yes is Sharingan. And yes, in part one it was very well done. In part two I thought it was well done. After his fight with Bee, he had his first taste of going blind. It parallels his feelings that a happy life is simply not made for him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Exactly my point. 😐
Except it's not applicable to Azula. Take away her psycho behavior and her daddy issues and what do you get? Well I dunno, you tell me. Take the angst and daddy issues away from Zuko and what do you get? Well...Buddha.
Originally posted by SamZED
I meant Iroh and Azula are among the few characters I really cared about. Sorry, didn't come out right the first time.Power level is great but doesn't really makes someone interesting. It can make a character MORE interesting if it's a little side of him/her, but if it's all there is then no amount of giant fireballs or lighnings will make me give a crap.
You're not supposed to care about him because he's a likable guy. You're supposed to care about him because of what he might do if he succeeds.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
As did I. And nah, he wasn't. He was a douche....She smiled when her brother was scared for life, gleefully told him that his father would kill him, had contempt for her uncle for being sad over his only son's death...she's clearly not a well person. She's composed but also insane. Ty Lee and Mai betraying her merely made her lose composure.
Yes is Sharingan. And yes, in part one it was very well done. In part two I thought it was well done. After his fight with Bee, he had his first taste of going blind. It parallels his feelings that a happy life is simply not made for him.
If you say so.
She was a mean person, that doesn't make her insane. She obviously has little empathy, but still, not insane. A person doesn't have to be insane in order to be an evil person. Plus, children as a whole display little empathy, they're just not as morally developed as adults.
Thats something you just made up, isn't it? Where is that made clear in the actual text? Because from what I recall it goes from Sasuke risking his life to save Karin to trying to put his fist through her chest with absolutely nothing inbetween.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Except it's not applicable to Azula. Take away her psycho behavior and her daddy issues and what do you get? Well I dunno, you tell me. Take the angst and daddy issues away from Zuko and what do you get? Well...Buddha.
Well first of all, Azula has mommy issues moreso than daddy issues. She does have issues with her father, but its more that she suffers from a feeling of abandonment from her mother, as well as paradoxical issues about an inflated sense of self-importance and self-loathing. I've already explained to you how her mother leaving her shaped her belief that she needs to be ruthless and use fear n order to be successful and keep people from leaving her: 'Well what choice do I have? Trust is for fools! Fear is the only reliable way. Even you fear me,' she says to the hullucination of the mother who she feels abadoned and despised her. You can see how her mother leaving her, and calling her a 'monster' can be psychologically damaging to her. You can probably also see how it caused her to have conflicts between her ego, she flat out says that people should worship her, and the idea that she's a monster who can't be loved. This is enhanced when she's betrayed by the one person she trusts and shows genuine affection for and who shows (what she thought was unconditional) affection back, Ty Lee, which leads into a noticable loss of composure and a massive hyke in her paranoia about being betrayed.
So, yes, she is a fairly complex character. Whats Zuko got again? 'My dad hates me, but I want him to love me, but he's evil and I'm good.'
Thats cool too I guess.