The Main 3 vs The JLA

Originally posted by -Pr-
no, it's not. they don't fight the way you want them to. they just fight with less restrictions than before.

i wouldn't even consider Bill to be in the top 3 either.

Which less restrictions? I take CIP to mean self-imposed moral inhibitions to lethal use of power and CIS to mean poor use of a powerset due to lack of creativity, intelligence or strategic finesse. With both off, why can't we refer to them using their powers in anyway their powersets allow it?

What self-imposed limitations of power use should remain?

Originally posted by 753
Which less restrictions? I take CIP to mean self-imposed moral inhibitions to lethal use of power and CIS to mean poor use of a powerset due to lack of creativity, intelligence or strategic finesse. With both off, why can't we refer to them using their powers in anyway their powersets allow it?

What self-imposed limitations of power use should remain?

you're right to a point. morals go out the window, and they're prepared to use lethal force. it STILL has to be something they've either done before or shown to be reasonably capable of given their own intelligence, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you're right to a point. morals go out the window, and they're prepared to use lethal force. it STILL has to be something they've either done before or shown to be reasonably capable of given their own intelligence, though.

Originally posted by 753
Well, they have done all the things people here are claiming and I thought elimating CIS would take care of the intelligence limitation to a point. Like Rhino, who isn't smart enough to avoid pools of wet cement would have a better chance at winning with CIS off - not that he'd become a tactical genius without CIS and pull batman tricks out of hsi ass, but his grotesque stupidity would be disregarded. Likewise thor would focus on range attacks, energy drain and BFR instead of brawling it out like a moron.

no. intelligence isn't disregarded. intelligence is constant regardless.

and yes, with no restrictions thor would fight smartly, as would surfer, superman, green lantern, flash, blackbolt etc

they're still bound by their own intelligence and tactical ability though. they're not going to think up strategies that we do just because it's in their powerset.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no. intelligence isn't disregarded. intelligence is constant regardless.

and yes, with no restrictions thor would fight smartly, as would surfer, superman, green lantern, flash, blackbolt etc

they're still bound by their own intelligence and tactical ability though. they're not going to think up strategies that we do just because it's in their powerset.

Originally posted by 753
But if they have ever displayed a certain power use, it's acceptable?

would go on a case by case basis.

Originally posted by Juntai
What?

What I meant is: If Surfer tp the shit out of Martian Manhunter some light years away, for exemple, who would go get him, if they don't know where he is? Surfer can track dudes with his Cosmic Awarness, but does someone in the JLA team can do the same?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What I meant is: If Surfer tp the shit out of Martian Manhunter some light years away, for exemple, who would go get him, if they don't know where he is? Surfer can track dudes with his Cosmic Awarness, but does someone in the JLA team can do the same?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What I meant is: If Surfer tp the shit out of Martian Manhunter some light years away, for exemple, who would go get him, if they don't know where he is? Surfer can track dudes with his Cosmic Awarness, but does someone in the JLA team can do the same?

how would surfer do that in the first place? Assuming he even could.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
A GL should be able to

Maybe, I don't know

Originally posted by -Pr-
how would surfer do that in the first place? Assuming he even could.

Originally posted by 753
Why wouldn't he be able to do it?

because J'onn is a better psychic than Norrin?

Well, the tactics I mentioned are all viable.

Norrin is probably the most dangerous with CIS/CIP off.

With CIS/CIP off, I can see Norrin taking down Superman via weakness exploit before they can even react (due to CIS/CIP on the JLA side, they WON'T go for the blitz and Superman will most likely tank the first hit like he normally does). Then maybe shrink down to microverse level, enter CM's brain and pop a singularity in there. After that, I can see the JLA reacting and things get a bit more interesting.

Also, time travel cheapness is a viable tactic here for the Surfer. He's done it before.

Split

Originally posted by -Pr-
how would surfer do that in the first place? Assuming he even could.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7614/daredevil28116hz4.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6421/fantasticfour07611fe5.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1220/spidermanteamup0204jb9.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7769/theincrediblehulkv24150va8.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9379/silversurfer03p29um4.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8891/silversurfer03702yg5.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5554/silversurfer03703kp8.jpg

That's how Surfer does it. Now, can any member of the JLA do this?

Originally posted by -Pr-
because J'onn is a better psychic than Norrin?

Surfer has the Cosmic Awarness, which does the job perfectly. Probably better that any feat of tracking John ever had. Also, in telepathy, Surfer is no slouch himself:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6558/silversurferannual0226lof6.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9205/img020wu0.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5448/img021sm5.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2108/img022hn2.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/743/img023vb0.jpg

So, tu summerise it: Surfer pwn

I can't see the current versions of the Main 3 taking down a competent version of this JLA even with CIS/PIS of for them....I just can't see it.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Surfer has the Cosmic Awarness, which does the job perfectly. Probably better that any feat of tracking John ever had. Also, in telepathy, Surfer is no slouch himself:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6558/silversurferannual0226lof6.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9205/img020wu0.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5448/img021sm5.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2108/img022hn2.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/743/img023vb0.jpg

So, tu summerise it: Surfer pwn

his cosmic awareness isn't nearly as developed as you claim. he's no genis.

i've seen all those scans before. i don't know what they're supposed to prove, considering last i checked requiem wasn't canon.

being "no slouch" isn't the same as being able to match one of the premier telepaths in DC.

he's not telepathically beating j'onn.

Originally posted by -Pr-
because J'onn is a better psychic than Norrin?

Originally posted by 753
We were discussing BFR, TP there meant teleportation not telepathy. He could BFR MMH and the others wouldn't know how to go get him as they lack cosmic awareness and tracking senses of his level.

oh, teleportation.

gl rings can scan in to other universes, though. a long shot but a possibility.