Surfer and Thor are pretty awesome w/ CIS/CIP off. Just to point out a few things the Surfer can do and HAS done in the past:
-Turn his board into a FTL flying super accurate guillotine
-Travel back in time to stop the JLA from being born
-Shrink to microverse level. Add that with the ability to open black holes = ouch.
-Pull people in the Astral plan where (apparently) the Power Cosmic can pretty much dominate anything.
Thor has the godblast and lifeforce suck as well.
Sadly, BRB is useless here.
Not saying they win, just saying they don't get stomped. Might even pull a win or 2.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer and Thor are pretty awesome w/ CIS/CIP off. Just to point out a few things the Surfer can do and HAS done in the past:-Turn his board into a FTL flying super accurate guillotine
-Travel back in time to stop the JLA from being born
-Shrink to microverse level. Add that with the ability to open black holes = ouch.
-Pull people in the Astral plan where (apparently) the Power Cosmic can pretty much dominate anything.Thor has the godblast and lifeforce suck as well.
Sadly, BRB is useless here.
Not saying they win, just saying they don't get stomped. Might even pull a win or 2.
they won't pull a win at all.
this is a stomp.
Originally posted by -Pr-
no. intelligence isn't disregarded. intelligence is constant regardless.and yes, with no restrictions thor would fight smartly, as would surfer, superman, green lantern, flash, blackbolt etc
they're still bound by their own intelligence and tactical ability though. they're not going to think up strategies that we do just because it's in their powerset.
We borrow the term from CBR and by their definition pretty much any logical extension of a characters powerset that's supported by feats is acceptable when it's turned off. Not that I'm saying we have to be like them mind you, but if we're going to take the term in a different direction we should probably clarify it in the rules to avoid confusion and tell people the proper term to use if they mean our equiveant of CBR's No CIS.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That doesn't really make sense pr. I mean it stands for Character induced stupidity the root examples of CIS in action are guys like Rhino, so if CIS is turned off it seems like it means that intelligence goes out the window. If the character is still dumb, his character induced stupidity still seems to be in effect. CIP being turned off would certainly be different scenario though.We borrow the term from CBR and by their definition pretty much any logical extension of a characters powerset that's supported by feats is acceptable when it's turned off. Not that I'm saying we have to be like them mind you, but if we're going to take the term in a different direction we should probably clarify it in the rules to avoid confusion and tell people the proper term to use if they mean our equiveant of CBR's No CIS.
i was talking about CIP, sorry.
CIS is an inaccurate term imo.