Ghost Rider vs Twilight

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes, I have to disagree with X-men not being 100% mutants. Its not about how much sense it makes, its up to the author to say whatever and it becomes law.

On the other hand, he did make a few very good points on why Twilight characters are very unlikely to be mutants.

That's fine, I was mostly trolling him for calling X-men non-mutants. I really shouldn't even be up this late, it's probably affecting my thought process or something. 😆

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Again, you're missing my point. I could really use my brain meats at three in the morning to give you more than popcorn references, but I'm up at three in the morning and not feeling all that willing to do such a thing. Twilight changes things in kind of a big way when it comes to looking at vampires. That's what I'm saying. I don't care that you want me to not use pop culture to get that point across, I really don't.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
That's fine, I was mostly trolling him for calling X-men non-mutants. I really shouldn't even be up this late, it's probably affecting my thought process or something. 😆

Originally posted by omgchos
U said quite plainly that vlad was the ORIGIONAL inspiration for vampires. So u were lying? Or ur making excuses about your brain not working. Maybe u should go to bed if ur brain is that disfunctional.......

Probably. I'm sure I'll lay down an apology or something when I get back on later today. 😛

Originally posted by omgchos
Yeah its always trolling when ur losing an argument isnt it?

What argument? That the X-men aren't 100% mutants? No, that's pretty much just a wrong statement, and yes, I was messing with you for saying it because I'm sure you're not so stupid as to mean something like that literally.

And i just wanna point out that what i meant when i said that u dont get those powers through mutation, i meant in one specific person. And also those powers are the same throughout all of them. Except for the few who have some type of mind based power.

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Originally posted by omgchos
U don't get super powers, adamantium-like skin, and speed comperable to an airplane, through a biological mutaion. I mean one of the vamps can see the future.

Xmen?

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Originally posted by XanatosForever
Y'know what else, chos? I've actually enjoyed the books, they're a guilty pleasure for me. That doesn't change the fact that Twilight vamps shit on traditional vampire lore, more than it might be skewed or interpreted elsewhere. So you can get off your high horse and tell me not to "hate", because I'm not, and I wouldn't be surprised if at any point in time Ms. Meyer comes out and says that TwiVamps have souls, but until then, it's speculation in favor of, in my opinion.

I was just gonna write that but had to have dinner. They are not traditional vampires. And yes in the realm of fiction a mutation can make a humanoid clinically dead hard as stone and psychic abilities. Their enhanced state evolves them to these potentials.

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Originally posted by omgchos
Sigh....... u just totally took the bluntest view of what i just said. So what your saying is that these are genetic mutaions but 5 ppl in the world get them? Gee kind of sounds magical to me. And like i said no one seems to be just turning into vampires. Seems like the need to bite you before you become them.

Some mutants are vampires in appearance and ability.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
What argument? That the X-men aren't 100% mutants? No, that's pretty much just a wrong statement, and yes, I was messing with you for saying it because I'm sure you're not so stupid as to mean something like that literally.

And Ninjak...... in the realm of fiction i can shit fairy dust and make a rainbow come out of my nose..... the point isnt that it COULD be true. Were taking the facts as they are and arguing them. Just saying anything is possible in fiction doesnt change what happened in the movie.

Originally posted by omgchos
I dint say THE x-men did i? (what i mean to say is i was refering to the x-men universe0And anyway the xmen wasnt always occupied exclusively by mutants. The Xmen universe is full of many different types of powers. Aliens, other-dimensional beings, Beings on higher plains of existance, etc. I mean look at the phoenix. She was some type of celestial entity that borrowed the image of Jean to some end.

Of course not, chos, you didn't say the X-men at all...

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Umm...Marvel and the X-Men would like to have a word with you. 😐

Originally posted by omgchos
X-men is not 100% mutation and if it were true in twilight they wouldn't have been the only ones to get this. I mean the indians turn into wolves and the vamps bite people. Never in the movie did it say that there was anything else. Seems like if it was a mutation we would see some X-men stuff. Not just contagious vampires and skinwalkers.

The Marvel Universe is chock full of extraordinary or supernatural beings, of course, but if we are going by movies, which we should be, then the pheonix wasn't a celetial entity, it was just Jean's fractured psyche because she couldn't control her power properly.

This is getting off topic, and I've had my rants, so I'm willing to stop here, how about you? I really don't care about concessions or any of that crap, either, so take it however you need to, just as long as we stop derailing the thread.

You wrote that genetic mutations can't achieve the Twilight Vamps abilities and I responded that they in fact can.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Of course not, chos, you didn't say the X-men at all...

The Marvel Universe is chock full of extraordinary or supernatural beings, of course, but if we are going by movies, which we should be, then the pheonix wasn't a celetial entity, it was just Jean's fractured psyche because she couldn't control her power properly.

This is getting off topic, and I've had my rants, so I'm willing to stop here, how about you? I really don't care about concessions or any of that crap, either, so take it however you need to, just as long as we stop derailing the thread.

Second...... We would go by the movie if the phoenix was somehow involved in the fight. As it is its just an example of the diversity in the marvel universe. But yeah lets cut this short. And agree to disagree. Im tired on ninjak neway. He takes to long to respond and his arguments are boring. Least i actually had to argue with you.

Good man. It was fun, I'll admit that. 😛 Now I'm off to bed so I'm not tempted to become even more delusional.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Good man. It was fun, I'll admit that. 😛 Now I'm off to bed so I'm not tempted to become even more delusional.

Pleasant trolling. 😆

lol

Im back......been typing......what's your beef with me anyway. My arguments are valid and practicly the same as Xanatos'. Until the woman who wrote the books states that her creations have no souls and isn't just some claim by the characters. I'm not accepting it.

Ur arguments werent the same. And i dont care if you accept it. And I dont have a beef with you. And this is a movie versus forum.

Im surprised RJ hasn't jumped on this. But anyway the look on Edwards face when he proposed to Bella.......souless people don't do that. As I've stated genetic mutations in fiction can achieve the TwiVamps powersets. Ill leave it there.

It wouldn't manifest in just vampires as Ive said. And on such an apparently small scale. Also they wouldnt have to bite you, because with mutations they would show up everywhere. And they wouldn't be immortal. And as ive said this is not a philosophy discussion. Have u ever watched the anime FMA? Cuz u can fakes emotions even without a soul. Even if he does have real emotions that doesnt imply a soul. Monkeys have emotions..... but the consensus is that they arent in the "soul" category. Unless your of the hindu culture where everything has a soul on some level. Again tho not philosophy.