Wasn't Ingrid retconned out of the series or something?
As for the fight itself, has Oro ever been shown fighting with both arms? While he's one of maybe five or so characters that rival Akuma, IIRC the fight they had with eachother had Oro fighting with one arm (or at least I don't know if it was specified) and Akuma fighting at regular levels. While there are glimpses of what Shin Akuma's capable of, I don't recall ever hearing anything of Oro fighting without binding one of his arms.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
Wasn't Ingrid retconned out of the series or something?As for the fight itself, has Oro ever been shown fighting with both arms? While he's one of maybe five or so characters that rival Akuma, IIRC the fight they had with eachother had Oro fighting with one arm (or at least I don't know if it was specified) and Akuma fighting at regular levels. While there are glimpses of what Shin Akuma's capable of, I don't recall ever hearing anything of Oro fighting without binding one of his arms.
him arm is bound all of the time, and when he was watching ryu train he said in 15 years, he might be at oro's level and said he might have to use 2 arms to fight ryu.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
Wasn't Ingrid retconned out of the series or something?
She never was part of the SF story but she is an official SF character, confirmed by none other than s-Kill. And during roster sessions, she is always up for consideration. I hope she never gets put in a SF game.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
As for the fight itself, has Oro ever been shown fighting with both arms? While he's one of maybe five or so characters that rival Akuma, IIRC the fight they had with eachother had Oro fighting with one arm (or at least I don't know if it was specified) and Akuma fighting at regular levels. While there are glimpses of what Shin Akuma's capable of, I don't recall ever hearing anything of Oro fighting without binding one of his arms.
Oro has 3 secret supers with his 2 arms. They should be on youtube somewhere.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonGen lost to him, Gouken was nearly killed by him, Oro and him stalemated in an unserious sparring match, Urien... Okay seriously Urien is not fit to wash anyone you mentioned's balls, let alone hang with Shin Gouki. Gill was killed by him but came back, although he is around the same level, and Ingrid is not canon.
Meh. Oro seems to be stronger than Shin Akuma imo, especially if he fights him with both his arms and in his prime (30's-50's).Besides, it's not like Shin Akuma is the strongest SF EVAR.
Gen, Gouken, Oro, Urien, Gill, and Ingrid are all on par or superior to him.
Confused on why you did not mention Shin Bison.
Oh and Oro is actually in his prime right now I believe, his power has made him immortal, has it not?
How's Ingrid not canon?
She's confirmed to be a part of the SF storyline. She even indicates and gives a hint on Ryu's character within the future. If anyone is the most powerful SF character at this point, it's Ingrid, due to what we know of her powers, feats etc, etc. My only problem with Ingrid is that she's a "lolita" girl who's ridiculously powerful (not like we don't have enough of these stereotypes anyhow).
As for Gouki vs Oro, at this "point" one has to say a Stalemate, and that is because they've only had one match which was really just both of them testing each other out which ended in a draw. I'm sure most will know that we don't know Oro's feats when he unleashes two arms (besides his supers, but that's little to nothing), in fact we don't even know how powerful Oro is with only one arm, let alone two arms.
For those who undermine this fighter, just remember that Oro was able to convincingly beat SFIII Ryu using only one arm, which basically says one thing clearly, that Oro is an absolute monster. Considering SFIII Ryu at this point is an absolute wrecking machine and would pretty much slap everyone for free besides the absolute Super Elites in the SF World. For Oro to defeat Ryu in such a fashion just simply showcases how powerful his character truly is.
So at this moment, you would have to say that it's a draw considering not either one has displayed they are superior to the other when they have actually met canonically.
Originally posted by JustFrameMy only problem with Ingrid is that she's a "lolita" girl who's ridiculously powerful (not like we don't have enough of these stereotypes anyhow).
And what makes this worse is, SF was the only 2D fighting series NOT TO HAVE THIS. Which is why I hope to God she won't be in anymore Street Fighter games. She isn't even a bad character and her theme is pretty damn catchy but she just doesn't belong in SF. Sakura, Karin, Makoto and Cammy pulled it of so wonderfully. They weren't so irratatingly animeish.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Gen lost to him, Gouken was nearly killed by him, Oro and him stalemated in an unserious sparring match, Urien... Okay seriously Urien is not fit to wash anyone you mentioned's balls, let alone hang with Shin Gouki. Gill was killed by him but came back, although he is around the same level, and Ingrid is not canon.Confused on why you did not mention Shin Bison.
Oh and Oro is actually in his prime right now I believe, his power has made him immortal, has it not?
Gouken was nearly killed by him? When did this happen? In SFIV, it seems like Gouken won their bout, since he was able to keep Ryu.
Urien is just a notch below Gill, who is arguably the strongest canon SF fighter EVAR.
In their "fight", Gill was cheapshotted by Akuma. And he instantly recovered and didn't even bother to fight back. Which only means Akuma is just fodder to him. It's not like Akuma could help further his goals anyway.
And yes, I forgot about M. Bison.
His full Psycho Power is likely equal or stronger than the Satsui No Hado.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Urien is just a notch below Gill, who is arguably the strongest canon SF fighter EVAR.In their "fight", Gill was cheapshotted by Akuma. And he instantly recovered and didn't even bother to fight back. Which only means Akuma is just fodder to him. It's not like Akuma could help further his goals anyway.
To be honest, I absolutely do not see how Urien is more powerful then even other characters like current Ryu or Sagat. Urien is under Gill, but not just by a notch, however significantly, Gill doesn't even take his brother seriously which show cases how different these two are in powers, not to mention Urien is absolutely envious of Gill's abilities.
Also, Gill being the "most" powerful is indeed in question to debate. My only two disregards for Gill is that he did get Shungokusatsu by Gouki, regardless of it was a "cheapshot" or not, Gill should have seen it coming, and more importantly Gill did not instantly recover, by the time he resurrected Gouki had already left the scene.
The other thing is that Gill is reliant upon multiple bodies in case his current one is completely destroyed. We know Gill can manipulate Fire/Ice at will, however him technically losing to Gouki in such a way, I personally put Gill slightly below Ingrid, Gouki/Oro. Considering without Resurrection, Gill would have been flat out dead.
Originally posted by No End N SiteI am pretty sure Guilty Gear has no uber powerful lolitas. 😐
And what makes this worse is, SF was the only 2D fighting series NOT TO HAVE THIS. Which is why I hope to God she won't be in anymore Street Fighter games. She isn't even a bad character and her theme is pretty damn catchy but she just doesn't belong in SF. Sakura, Karin, Makoto and Cammy pulled it of so wonderfully. They weren't so irratatingly animeish.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon1. Believe all you like, without evidence it doesn't really mean anything.
I think Gen will never have the chance to fight Shin Akuma, and will likely die from his disease.
I believe, however, that they are around the same power-level.Gouken was nearly killed by him? When did this happen? In SFIV, it seems like Gouken won their bout, since he was able to keep Ryu.
Urien is just a notch below Gill, who is arguably the strongest canon SF fighter EVAR.
In their "fight", Gill was cheapshotted by Akuma. And he instantly recovered and didn't even bother to fight back. Which only means Akuma is just fodder to him. It's not like Akuma could help further his goals anyway.
And yes, I forgot about M. Bison.
His full Psycho Power is likely equal or stronger than the Satsui No Hado.
2. Before the game. 😐
3. A notch? Urien is a joke compared to Gill. Also, strongest canon SFer ever? Why? Certainly not by feats, Gouki dominates everyone in that regard.
4. Yeahno. Gouki is just fodder to him? Tell me... Who did Gill beat again? Gouki has fought and hanged with the best SF has to offer, Gill has only beat on fodder to my recollection.
5. Nah dawg.
Originally posted by NemeBro
5. Nah dawg.
Full Psycho Power = Ingrid's Power >>>>>>>>>>> Satsui No Hado
Stop with the Shin Akuma wanking.
Oro with both arms, Gouken, Ingrid, and Gill are still stronger than him.
Plus, some of the developers themselves have stated that Gill is the strongest character in SF.
Developers > you.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
You're opinion.Full Psycho Power = Ingrid's Power >>>>>>>>>>> Satsui No Hado
Stop with the Shin Akuma wanking.
Oro with both arms, Gouken, Ingrid, and Gill are still stronger than him.Plus, some of the developers themselves have stated that Gill is the strongest character in SF.
Developers > you.
Here, let me assist you with a few factors.
Psycho Power in any form was utterly wasted by Gouki's Shun Goku Satsu. Ingrid uses far more than any Psycho Power, she is a type of Goddess, and Bison's Psycho Power is only a small fraction of that, he cannot ever acheive that level of strength, and even if he did, it won't render him suddenly unvulnerable to Satsui No Hadou, in fact, he is mre vulnerable to it BECAUSE of his Psycho Power.
Demonstrated events in cannon > Developers oppinion > you. IE: We cannot assume that the developers or anyone else is right when the game demonstrates otherwise. It's the same reason as to why an artists views are different from a writers when it comes to canon validity, neither are nessisarily wrong, so we have to rely on what is seen, and so far Gouki trumps everyone in Street Fighter.