shin gouki vs 2 armed oro

Gouki has never demonstrated anything greater than what Gill has in Third Strike, both in-game and cinematics.

In-game:

a. Gill is the only character in SF with an unblockable Super Move (Seraphic Wing).

b. Gill is the only character who who can resurrect.

c. Gill can summon a swarm of meteors (Meteor Strike) which is > Shin Akuma's meteor-busting kick.

Cinematics:

a. Gill can split the ocean and the skies apart. That feat alone is greater than anything Shin Akuma has demonstrated.

b. Gill can manipulate people's hearts and emotions by will (like what he did to Alex)

I'm no fan of Gill, but he is stronger than Shin Akuma.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

a. Gill is the only character in SF with an unblockable Super Move (Seraphic Wing).

You can block it, it will take away 50% of your life in chip damage, but you can still block it

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

In-game:

a. Gill is the only character in SF with an unblockable Super Move (Seraphic Wing).

http://youtu.be/UJJekclssNI

Akuma is already dead. LOL

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
You're opinion.

Full Psycho Power = Ingrid's Power >>>>>>>>>>> Satsui No Hado

Stop with the Shin Akuma wanking.
Oro with both arms, Gouken, Ingrid, and Gill are still stronger than him.

Plus, some of the developers themselves have stated that Gill is the strongest character in SF.
Developers > you.

Only by feats Gouki could destroy all of them, and you have shitnothing to prove your claims, I would probably accept Ingrid being stronger but that is it.

Gouki nearly killed Gouken in the backstory when they last fought.

Oro is supposed to be around Gouki's level, but he has not demonstrated nearly the same level of power.

Same with Gill, only we actually see Gouki killing Gill, albeit temporarily. Developer statements don't mean much when the game's own events contradict their statements.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
a. Gill can split the ocean and the skies apart. That feat alone is greater than anything Shin Akuma has demonstrated.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Gouki has never demonstrated anything greater than what Gill has in Third Strike, both in-game and cinematics.

If we went by your logic than Gouki has everyone beat besides Ingrid. Considering Gill has done nothing showcasing that he's a superior fighter for Gouki (Gill parting the sea isn't a "fighting power" feat, and if you equate that into fighting prowess then you must also believe that Moses must have been a powerful fighter as well).

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
In-game:

a. Gill is the only character in SF with an unblockable Super Move (Seraphic Wing).

b. Gill is the only character who who can resurrect.

c. Gill can summon a swarm of meteors (Meteor Strike) which is > Shin Akuma's meteor-busting kick.

In-Game mechanics is the biggest load of crap here which showcases nothing to how the supers would truly be like.

A. Gills Seraphic Wing being an unblockable is in In-Game mechanic not from a storyline perspective. Outside of the game, we don't know what it's potential is period, so speculation is all there is which proves nothing and doesn't mean anything as well.

B. Being able to resurrect is great, however having multiple bodies as back up shows he's not as durable as the powerful elites (Gouki, Oro, etc, etc whom only use one single body, and who's durability must be ridiculous).

C. Summoning Meteor's is nice, however we don't know for sure "how powerful" this move is as it has not been demonstrated within the storyline. I would absolutely conclude that it's very powerful indeed, however more powerful then Gouki's own supers? The real answer is...we don't know. We've at least seen a few of Gouki's feats when he unleashes them, so we can at least gauge them, but Gill's have never been demonstrated within an ending, or such that we can calculate his potential.

Gouki meteor-busting is umm...not even canon considering I believe it was done by Udon, not Capcom themselves, so unless they come out officially stating that this feat is legit, I'm going to decline it isn't.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
a. Gill can split the ocean and the skies apart. That feat alone is greater than anything Shin Akuma has demonstrated.

"Parting" the ocean and skies are indeed great feats, but they show nothing of Gill's fighting capabilities. Also, what "feats" of Shin-Gouki are you talking about, considering all of the Canon feats done by Gouki was himself not being Shin-Gouki. We have yet to see feats done by a 100% full Gouki.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
b. Gill can manipulate people's hearts and emotions by will (like what he did to Alex)

Your comparing Alex's mental capacity to Gouki's? Not to mention the most important part is that this isn't a true power of Gill, so unless you have some credible evidence showcasing that he's a telekinesis then I'll believe you. So far he's done absolutely nothing to the magnitude of what Dictator has done to make me a believer.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I'm no fan of Gill, but he is stronger than Shin Akuma.

Again, what evidence do you have to say so otherwise? We have no real hard evidence of Shin-Gouki's capabilities since everything he's shown capable doing is an in "training mode" or a Gouki not using his full power. Did you forget the fact that when he sunk his island he was weakened by his fight by Gen, also fought Ryu, and just simply smashed his fist to the ground, and mind you A2 Gouki is nowhere near as powerful as SFIII Gouki.

We don't know a whole lot about Gill's capabilities either other then what is shown in bits and pieces. However what we do know is that Gouki landed the Shungokusatsu on Gill, and had it not of been for Resurrection, he would have been dead. That much is known, and with that indication it actually favors Gouki's case then Gills.

Again, I find it very puzzling that you would claim Gill>Gouki when Gouki has actually killed Gill once already, and more importantly Gill has shown nothing to prove he's the superior fighter. By the time SFIII comes around only Oro has been proven to put a draw stalemate to Gouki, and "if" I was to rank the list then only those two would stand together with Ingrid above them.

To end, I believe it's incredibly "hard" to gauge the Top-Tiers of the SF world because either many are missing feats or anything showcasing their powers, they have never fought one another or all of the above etc, etc.

However "if" I was forced to put a list of the Top-3 I would say again Ingrid is #1, again, it's hard not to argue this, when she stated that being punched by a SFer is like being tickled and we know characters like Ryu can punch hard enough to send out sonic boom shockwaves, while Gouki can sink islands and split mountains. She also has telekinetic powers, she also can time travel, she's also a Goddess (Higher class then the "Demi-God" status given to Gill).

Gouki/Oro, simply because Gouki was able to land the Shungoksatsu on Gill and kill him out right and his feat demonstrations surpass anything anyother SF character has been shown capable of doing. While Oro was able to fight into a stalemate with Gouki so he is at least on par with Gouki in potential. <--- All of this being based from what we DO know of the characters at this point.

Yes, thus far, from a storyline and evidence standpoint, I would consider Gouki stronger then Gill.

Originally posted by JustFrame

A. Gills Seraphic Wing being an unblockable is in In-Game mechanic not from a storyline perspective.

Again, Seraphic Wing is not unblockable.

And while I will defend Gill being, at least, equal to Shin Akuma in an all out war to the death. Gill as a fighter is nothing to Akuma. He can't even beat Alex in a regular martial arts match.

Likely they just confused 'not able to be blocked' with 'not able to be parried'.

Yeah, you can't parry that shit. I thought that it was just impossibly hard to parry but then I tried to do it and found out when the move is activated, parrying becomes disabled.

Originally posted by No End N Site
And while I will defend Gill being, at least, equal to Shin Akuma in an all out war to the death. Gill as a fighter is nothing to Akuma. He can't even beat Alex in a regular martial arts match.

The problem I find with being equal to Shin Gouki is that we have never seen Gouki at 100% while displaying feats, where as we are witness to his already ridiculous feats which doesn't show him at 100% potential. However the most important factor is that besides "parting the sea" with Gill, it is almost impossible to gauge his potential which is the real problem.

That's why I only go on the fact that Gouki killed Gill, where as Gill has never done anything to prove he was stronger then or equal to Gouki (again limited feats and demonstration of Gill makes it that way), so "if" I were to state who would win a fight between these two, I would favor Gouki. Gill has shown no answer for Shungokusatsu besides resurrection however how much can Gill's body take such punishment before he's in need of a new one?

Anyhow, we've detracted away enough from the topic at hand.

Gouki vs Oro would be a toss up simply because they've only fought once which lead to a stalemate and it was just the two testing each others strength. Had the two gone full out, one would assume that it would be very equal. In my opinion this fight would have been a spectacular one to watch and see.

well gills resurection shows that the shun goku satsu doesnt work on him, plus his extra bodies could be so he doesnt die of old age, but the fact that alex beat gill, and alex couldnt even touch ryu shows that gill would still loose to akuma without the shungoku satsu

Originally posted by JustFrame
The problem I find with being equal to Shin Gouki is that we have never seen Gouki at 100% while displaying feats, where as we are witness to his already ridiculous feats which doesn't show him at 100% potential. However the most important factor is that besides "parting the sea" with Gill, it is almost impossible to gauge his potential which is the real problem.

That's why I only go on the fact that Gouki killed Gill, where as Gill has never done anything to prove he was stronger then or equal to Gouki (again limited feats and demonstration of Gill makes it that way), so "if" I were to state who would win a fight between these two, I would favor Gouki. Gill has shown no answer for Shungokusatsu besides resurrection however how much can Gill's body take such punishment before he's in need of a new one?

We have not seen Gill's full potential either. I am just assuming that Capcom intends for all of its bosses to be equal, 'cept Seth. We know Gill was killed by Akuma, we don't know if Gill took Akuma seriously, if the SGS was a sneak attack or any specifics at all, we don't know what happened. All we know is that Akuma used the SGS move and killed Gill and Gill simply rose from his death some time later.

So I would simply say a tie becuase it's clear that Akuma can't kill Gill for good and we don't know how much power Gill can really dish out at 100%. I did read in SF20 that Gill was "the strongest Street Fighter boss yet." Not sure if that was just Ikeno talkin about gameplay or not.

Originally posted by No End N Site
We have not seen Gill's full potential either. I am just assuming that Capcom intends for all of its bosses to be equal, 'cept Seth. We know Gill was killed by Akuma, we don't know if Gill took Akuma seriously, if the SGS was a sneak attack or any specifics at all, we don't know what happened. All we know is that Akuma used the SGS move and killed Gill and Gill simply rose from his death some time later.

So I would simply say a tie becuase it's clear that Akuma can't kill Gill for good and we don't know how much power Gill can really dish out at 100%. I did read in SF20 that Gill was "the strongest Street Fighter boss yet." Not sure if that was just Ikeno talkin about gameplay or not.

Firstly, just because your the final boss doesn't mean that you are more powerful, that usually isn't the case, SF2 Dictator for example. Even Dictator most likely didn't become the "super powerhouse" he truly was until Alpha 3 either.

Honestly, I don't see how you could not take Gouki seriously even if you were Gill, the fact that SGS works like a charm on him would make him think twice before underestimating him. Yes, atm you have to say its a tie simply because we have no proof to prove either is stronger, however with that single occurrence, I would give the benefit of the doubt to Gouki.

Simply because if Gouki lands SGS (which isn't a problem, he's landed it up against the greatest fighters in the SF world) and Gill goes down dead, whats to stop Gouki from beating the rag doll out of Gill while he's still waiting to resurrect?

Just simply because Gill was able to resurrect doesn't mean that his body can't be destroyed, otherwise why the need for numerous bodies. So the case scenario of Gouki being able to beat Gill is very real, since Gouki has already killed Gill once before already.

So judging by that, if I was to make the most "educated" guess at this moment, I would favor Gouki. The "strongest boss yet" was implying in-game (which necessarily isn't true considering ST. Gouki, A2 Gouki, WW Dictator were all ridiculous in their own right), not storyline wise, otherwise Capcom would have stated this on their official AASF or AAC books.

Originally posted by JustFrame
Firstly, just because your the final boss doesn't mean that you are more powerful, that usually isn't the case, SF2 Dictator for example. Even Dictator most likely didn't become the "super powerhouse" he truly was until Alpha 3 either.

Honestly, I don't see how you could not take Gouki seriously even if you were Gill, the fact that SGS works like a charm on him would make him think twice before underestimating him. Yes, atm you have to say its a tie simply because we have no proof to prove either is stronger, however with that single occurrence, I would give the benefit of the doubt to Gouki.

Simply because if Gouki lands SGS (which isn't a problem, he's landed it up against the greatest fighters in the SF world) and Gill goes down dead, whats to stop Gouki from beating the rag doll out of Gill while he's still waiting to resurrect?

Just simply because Gill was able to resurrect doesn't mean that his body can't be destroyed, otherwise why the need for numerous bodies. So the case scenario of Gouki being able to beat Gill is very real, since Gouki has already killed Gill once before already.

So judging by that, if I was to make the most "educated" guess at this moment, I would favor Gouki. The "strongest boss yet" was implying in-game (which necessarily isn't true considering ST. Gouki, A2 Gouki, WW Dictator were all ridiculous in their own right), not storyline wise, otherwise Capcom would have stated this on their official AASF or AAC books.

1. Bison was the final boss in SF2 'and' the 2nd strongest character. 2nd only to the 'Super' secret final boss. I haven't seen a SF game where the boss was surpassed by normal playable characters.

2. Given Gill's personality and the fact that he's above the whole "warrior"/pointless fighting thing; I think he would look at Akuma as just another fighter. I seriously doubt Gill was giving it his all, he doesn't even mention the event at all in 3rd Strike.

3. There is no proof that Akuma can hit an all out sea splitting, mountain raising, meteor showering Gill with an SGS. Hitting Gill with the SGS under unknown circumstances is not enough for me to give Akuma the blind edge. And I seriously doubt that Akuma would know that Gill can resurrect or that he'd do something as digraceful as beat up Gill's apparent dead body. He sure didn't do it in 2nd Imapct.

4. FYI, The Illuminati does 'not' have spare bodies, they have spare brains. So that pretty much does away with the "Gill Has Spare Bodies Cuz He's Not Tough Theory." Where did you guys get that from?

5. So if Akuma is the toughest boss in gameplay and they say Gill is the strongest SF boss yet, what exactly do they mean?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Gen, Gouken, Oro, Urien, Gill, and Ingrid are all on par or superior to him.

Captain Commando belongs here too. He and the rest of the cast of his game are in the SF universe (partly due to Ginzu the Ninja and the setting is future Metro City) and according to the info I've read from him, he's very powerful. Tiatmat's plot FAQ does dispute the canocity of Captain Commando though, probably because of the game's satirical take on super heroes and stuff.

Only three (Gouken, Oro & Gill) of those people could be arguably on par with Gouki, while one (Ingrid) is vastly superior. The other two (Gen & Urien) are below him.

Ok here we go.

Gill, Akuma, Oro, Shin Bison and Gouken are all top tier. Their powers aren't shown at Max per se, but after the retcon it seems pretty intended for Gouken and Akuma to be equal.

Oro is intended to be as well, for the time being. The reason Akuma gets so much praise is that he has more feats. I just had this discussion elsewhere about how more popular characters win because of this. Shin Bison was powerful and in the (non-canon) ending of CFE smoked Gill, but then Gill resurrected, who knows on that one.

Ingrid is highly powerful and was interesting to play, but yea, her character type is bleh. Though I bet many are more annoyed that she has the potential to overpower their favorite guys. I don't know how much of her story is true or valid though, she seems kind of "meh" (Bison stealing her powers instead of honing his power) make him just not the same

Didn't guilty gear have Dizzy?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Ingrid is highly powerful and was interesting to play, but yea, her character type is bleh. Though I bet many are more annoyed that she has the potential to overpower their favorite guys. I don't know how much of her story is true or valid though, she seems kind of "meh" (Bison stealing her powers instead of honing his power) make him just not the same

Didn't guilty gear have Dizzy?

Yep, Dizzy is from Guilty Gear. She's on GG's top tier as well.

I don't know enough on Ingrid because I only really played CFE once and never saw her (must have not met the right conditions to face her). Whether she is canon or not is a huge matter of dispute.
I'm surprised to hear Bison stole her power. I thought she was a goddess or something.

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