Anyone read History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi?

Started by danteiscool41 pages

Dadudemon: I fully agree. Yeah it was a bit of a stretch, but the author did the best he could and did so with more success than one would have thought him capable of.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm okay with it.
idc

So now Senzui is dead along with possibly the elder too. Mikumo had been the one causing all this from the beginning it would seem.

I think the Elder jumped away right before it exploded because he has the reflexes and speed to move that fast. Let's keep in mind that he can kick so fast that when a video of him kicking is slowed down to 1/3000th of a second, his leg is a blur. That should be enough speed to escape the explosion front of that missile.

Originally posted by danteiscool
Dadudemon: I fully agree. Yeah it was a bit of a stretch, but the author did the best he could and did so with more success than one would have thought him capable of.

Thanks, man, for agreeing with me. 🙂

So did Master Boobies just smile? Oh and while I do think the Elder was fast enough to get out the way, it'd be more beaslty(ridiculous) if he just tanked the explosion.
But I'm curious, with all the money Yami supposedly had, they couldn't bother to get more than one missile?

On another note, why does the author keep censoring Shigure even though she's already been fully nude in this manga?

Chap was pretty lame.

Hope Hayato died. estahuh

Kenichi being less talented than Kajima is a very stupid statement.

So yeah, this was a pretty darn lame chapter and most of the arc is pretty darn lame.

Dadudemon: you're welcome. Nice pic too.

And yes Master Boobies did smile and it was rather eerie too.

I was just thinking about titty f*cking Master Boobies, if she was a real person.

My dick would get lost in a giant sea of t*ts. 😐

I do not know how I feel about that. hmm

Also, Kenichi needs to get laid by Shigure and Miu. Perhaps at the same time. In my honest opinion, it would be within the story if that occurred. It would not seem out of place.

Lastly, my dick is sore from all the sex I had today so thinking about sexual stuff is uncomfortable. 🙁

Whoa, your comment is much different from your usual ones.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm okay with it.

Here's why: we know Kenechi has trained a shit ton with the masters, off-screen, and it is a recurring "trope" in this manga: a flash-back that reveals part of his hard work.

I do not feel this is very lazy writing. It is moderately lazy, but not very lazy. It is a less-intelligent method for accomplishing the same thing Kishimoto does in his foreshadowing in Naruto. The crow thing? Very similar with just a slight bit more foreshadowing in it that made the crow thing much more delicious than what Matsuena is doing with Kenechi's flashback power-ups. To further solidify this point that it was plenty foreshadowed and not ass-pulled, for almost a dozen chapters, the chi-ki thing has been discussed/alluded to being key to the fight.

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Well the very fact that the base of this technique is something he has worked on and improved since the ragnorok arc means it wasn't really that ass-pulled. Like Dadudemon said, Kenichi is known for training like a beast all the time and usually to perfect a technique that has been presented to him.
I agree it was a little lazy to not directly state that the Elder had been showing it to him or telling him about it in an earlier chapters, but with the author's buildup of how the Masters introduce techs to Kenichi habitually and Kenichi's grueling training seesions, this scenario seems pretty plausible to me.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kenichi not having any talent is such a bullshit statement now. Jumps up to using a master level ki manipulation technique that eclipses what Miu can do apparently.

I've always thought it was a bullshit statement to be honest. If the guy truly had no talent, then how would he adeptly use techs he was just introduced so well? And he has been doing this since his first fight.

How else can it be explained that he has literally eclipsed everyone that was leaps and bounds stronger than him at their introduction in a fraction of the time they have been training? The kid has to have skills and everyone is just trolling him.

Well for one thing, he's trained into the ground over and over again. He probably trains more every day than any other disciple shown thus far and given Ryozanpaku's 'sink or swim' approach, he had no choice but to learn quickly in order to even survive and progress for the sake of his own safety.

Of course, they most likely told him he has no talent out of their own preconceptions of what 'talent' is or to keep him from getting a big ego or something.

The problem with that is other master classes have stated that Kenichi is talent-less. I think Ogata is the only master that has had an encounter with Kenichi and not mentioned his supposed lack of talent: I could be wrong on this one though but the point remains the same.

However Kajima should definitely have less talent than Kenichi considering what just happened and what we know about Kenichi.

I think Ogata actually said Kenichi was a well spring of talent. Given his genuine love and aptitude for martial arts, that's saying something, even if all the other master classes that comment on Kenichi say otherwise, yes?

In a manner of speaking, I guess. Kajima is geared towards one thing while Kenichi is geared towards something else. That's the main thing, really. Kajima is all about Dou ki and using it to empower his attacks in a way that'll damage his opponent's nerves/cells/etc. Kenichi uses Sei ki and figured out a way to use it to counter Kajima's technique.

Well damn. Next week is going to be the final chapter!

Uh well I can see why this is the final arc but I feel there is a bit more stuff to cover before an actual finale: that's just my opinion.

Man Ogata needs to start a new arc and be Big Bad while allying himself with the Haichou leader. Then they can take over the world.

I basically only care about the villains at this point.

http://bato.to/forums/topic/2463-the-recent-chapters-discusion-major-spolier/page-3

"There's something else about Kenichi that we can deduce from the portrayal of his fights. At the beginning of the manga, Kenichi knew a small amount of techniques which were called out to us, and used very basic nameless punching and kicking techniques for the rest. In the newer fights, Kenichi still uses techniques, but they blend into the background, no longer being worth of being called to our attention. It has been a long time since Kenichi learned specific techniques like they were introduced all the time at the beginning.
The last technique he learned was the Korui Nuki, which isn't very interesting as a technique itself, but allows for interesting moments in the fight by virtue of pointing out the weak points in the opponent's guard. Note however, that learning the Korui Nuki required Kenichi to master his center of gravity completely. Kenichi's way of moving is beginning to transcend into the realm of superhuman, which is a clear mark compared to the very interesting scene when he and Miu entered Diego's ship and Miu just walked up the chains while he climbed. Now he probably could do that as well. It's the first really distinct step into the advanced ways of moving that the masters use.
Back to the techniques. There are more or less only two attacks of Kenichi that are still called out. One is the Mubyoushi, the other the Korui Nuki. (The Seikuken and Ryusui Seikuken might be as well, but those are rather passive techniques.) We have just discussed the Korui Nuki, but lets have a lot at the Mubyoushi, since it's actually a much more important step in Kenichi's growth.
What has been called out, and rightly so, is that Kenichi's fighting progress is divided between mental and physical. Kenichi learns stuff from his masters and uses it (and even that is getting rare now), but he does not really advance his understanding of martial arts. But the Mubyoushi is the one thing standing against this. It is the only technique Kenichi ever developed by himself and it has been by far his strongest one until the advent of the Korui Nuki. It is a technique symbolic to his growth as a fighter, since it combines the basics of all his punching styles by his own understanding of their workings. It's the first piece of the combined style we are waiting for him to develop. This is what has to happen more often, and it is behind schedule.

Note also how most of Kenichi's special techniques, save the ones he learned at the very beginning (which we don't see that much anymore), are not so much specific moves as passive ways of moving. The Seikuken and Ryusui Seikuken are about controlling his space and reading and controlling the opponent's rythm. The Mubyoushi is a way of punching that combines multiple ways of generating force. The Meotode is a way of moving both hands in a synchronized fashion. The Korui Nuki is, although portrayed as a kick up until now, the principle of forcing the opponent to guard and then breaking through the guard's weak points. These are all fighting principles rather than fighting techniques.
This very much conforms to the master's idea of making Kenichi a fighter who rules through the complete mastery of the basics. Kenich isn't supposed to learn advanced techniques, he is learning advanced principles of fighting that are expressed by using the basics more effectively.
The Mubyoushi is how every of Kenchi's punches is supposed to work at his completion. The Korui Nuki is what he will do every time an opponent guards. He will always be in the Ryusui Seikuken mode. Unfortunately this makes for less interesting fights, but that's why these new principles are shown to us in the form of techniques. If you compare an early fight with the fight against the Muay Boran kid whose name I just forgot you will see that the latter fight has a lot of very nice fighting panels without any technique being called out, simply because they all integrate passively into Kenichi's basic style.

However, to achieve this ultimate integration, this mastery of basics Kenichi himself has to step up again and further his own independant understanding of his martial arts. This isn't something he can learn (although he can practice for it). It's one of the parts of seriousness Kenichi is so sorely lacking, the drive to work and think on martial arts independently instead of just repeating his master's exercises. We know he can do it, and when he did it was a major jump in power for him. Most of his important fights were won with this technique. But we don't see any of this inspiration right now. Kenichi has been watching his master's fights for quite a while by now. Hopefully it will get him thinking."

I hoped for this to be true.