Attention Republicans: Stop being corporatists.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Standing for a principle is a higher order than settling for less.

The dead guy is dead. He settled for dead.
The living guy is alive, he can still go make his principles work. Because he's not dead. Like the other guy. Who got him self killed out of, I don't known, probably laziness.

When people ask "Are you [identifying trait of the enemy]?" the principled man doesn't say "Yes I am [identifying trait of the enemy]!" and get killed. The principled man lies so he can keep working for his principles behind the scenes.

Unless his princple is "Never tell a lie for any reason." but that gets bred out of the population pretty quick.

i would obey my orders and place the values of my men over mine...

its not that black in white especially in combat.

u should ask if i would plea guilty to a crime i didnt commit b/c the police or judge threaten me with a harsher punishment if i failed to proof my innocence..

lots of ppl have taken lighter sentences for crimes they didnt commit rather then proclaim their innocence and live with consequences of the possible loss.

i have never compromised my principles in court.

also ppl that live by principles arent living for themselves they are living to uphold their beliefs in what they believe with honor.

lying, compromising, cheating are not living nor holding those same principles that one is supposedly fighting for.

its like saying i am going to rob a bank to keep the money from being stolen..

Originally posted by King Castle
i would obey my orders and place the values of my men over mine...

And when obedience and the values of your men conflict?

Originally posted by King Castle
its not that black in white especially in combat.

I suspect not. But modeling an entire fictional war and one potentially decisive engagement, then explaining them to you in detail is excessive when just making an example.

That's one of my principles. "Be like a candy cane: short, sweet and to the point."

Originally posted by King Castle
u should ask if i would plea guilty to a crime i didnt commit b/c the police or judge threaten me with a harsher punishment if i failed to proof my innocence..

lots of ppl have taken lighter sentences for crimes they didnt commit rather then proclaim their innocence and live with consequences of the possible loss.

i have never compromised my principles in court.

Okay but that doesn't make you a martyr. Martyrs are dead once they've done the martyr thing, it's part of the job. It's very relevant to my point.

Originally posted by King Castle
also ppl that live by principles arent living for themselves they are living to uphold their beliefs in what they believe with honor.

And how do you intend to uphold principles when you get killed?

Originally posted by King Castle
lying, compromising, cheating are not living nor holding those same principles that one is supposedly fighting for.

You consider compromise to be the equivalent of death? I hope you never develop any relationships with, well, anyone at all. Or perhaps more saliently, why is compromise against your principles?

Originally posted by King Castle
its like saying i am going to rob a bank to keep the money from being stolen..

It's more like I'm going to lie, cheat or compromise (seriously?) to save thousands of lives because setting your principles in stone results in crazy behavior.

men are send to their deaths every day in combat... i have bn send to places with the possibility of my death as well as the marines i was stationed with.. we all went regardless b/c we gave our oath to follow and obey..

that doesnt mean we just stand there and get shot nothing in our oath says dont fight back..

there are a lot of ppl who are willing to die for the right reasons and live by a code... men who willingly sacrifice their life to rescue a down soldier/warrior..

ppl who drive on an open road with the possibility of being blown up..

those are not idiots.. ppl who join the military during war are not stupid.. they have courage and are willing to die for something they believe in even if its wrong.

ppl who die for a principle or code of honor is some one who is noble ppl that cant grasp such a concept nor understand the reasoning is just short sighted to what one is trying to accomplish in the long run.. sometimes examples are needed to stir ppl into actions its what this country's forfathers have done in the past with flags symbols and talk about what it is to be an american..

whether we like it or not it is what religious fanatics also use to fight wars//

Originally posted by King Castle
men are send to their deaths every day in combat... i have bn send to places with the possibility of my death as well as the marines i was stationed with.. we all went regardless b/c we gave our oath to follow and obey..

Would you have gone if there was a way to solve the problem through compromise that would result in a quarter as many deaths?

Originally posted by King Castle
there are a lot of ppl who are willing to die for the right reasons and live by a code... men who willingly sacrifice their life to rescue a down soldier/warrior..

ppl who drive on an open road with the possibility of being blown up..

those are not idiots.. ppl who join the military during war are not stupid.. they have courage and are willing to die for something they believe in even if its wrong.

I didn't say they were stupid. I said that the guy who wonders "Why should I die for something I believe in when I could live?" is not stupid. In fact he is the only one who will prevent too many soldiers from having to die.

Is preserving life not on your list of principles?

Originally posted by King Castle
ppl who die for a principle or code of honor is some one who is noble ppl that cant grasp such a concept nor understand the reasoning is just short sighted to what one is trying to accomplish in the long run.. sometimes examples are needed to stir ppl into actions its what this country's forfathers have done in the past with flags symbols and talk about what it is to be an american..

Sure and if I seriously thought that my dying would set in motion events that would save thousands I might do it, you would probably do it more quickly (which is comendable). However, for me to take the time to consider if dying then and there is for the best is hardly a negative trait, since doing so could very well save lives.

If 10000 deaths will satisfy honor and win the war but one reasonable treaty and no deaths will win it without honor I sign the treaty, it's that simple.