The Federation Alliance vs Galactic Empire

It's been a few years after the Federation Alliance has defeated the Dominion. Palpatine discovers the Alpha Quadrant and launches a full scale assault and for a twist, the Federation Alliance kicks the Empire out. The Federation Alliance then launches a counter-offensive with the objective of overthrowing Palpatine. They also enlisted the help of the Dominion. Who wins? Super weapons like the Death Star are not allowed.

Federation Alliance Combat leadership:
Admiral Janeway
General Martok
Shinzon
Captain Picard

Empire Combat Leadership:
Admiral Daala
Admiral Thrawn
Darth Vader

*Take into account that the Federation, Klingons & Romulans plundered Dominion techological secrets (shields, weapons, sensors, etc etc).

This is the Star Wars forum. Ergo:

Empire pwns.

several million worlds vs a few thousand worlds

25,000 ISD's vs a few thousands comparatively tiny starships

100 million times the speed of light hyperdrives vs a few thousand times speed of light warp drives

2.4 million megaton weapons vs 1160 megaton weapons

lol@Lord Lucien in the battle bar #2 thinking that Jaden "won" that argument, even though Lucien didn't actually (gasp!) read the argument.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This is the Star Wars forum. Ergo:

Empire pwns.

Thrawn kicks their asses with a single Star Destroyer

(In other words, Star Trek FAILS)

Jaden on gimp threads:

We both know a Empire v Starfleet debate would be rather silly given that Starfleet control only a tiny fraction of the galaxy where as the empire control the whole of a similarly sized one. (Although as I already said...SF have it in terms of weapon power due to transphasic torpedoes/proton torpedoes/quantum torpedoes) They have it in terms of speed as they aquired transwarp technology...They have transporters....They also have a huge range advantage on SD's

Regardless of this, the empire have it poorly in terms of numbers. The Thrawn trilogy stated that 500 ancient battle cruisers from the Katana fleet would have changed the balance of power in the galaxy..500 ships...Someone like the Borg have billions of Cubes and spheres with trillions of drones (actually stated in Voyager)

Weapon ranges:

Trek Wins.

Where's that picture from?

How did I know?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
lol@Lord Lucien in the battle bar #2 thinking that Jaden "won" that argument, even though Lucien didn't actually (gasp!) read the argument.

Originally posted by Me
I can't be bothered to read all 20 pages of that. Did Jaden come up with any good points for Star Trek?

Originally posted by Me
Is that because no one could argue against him?

Yeah, I said the words "Jaden won" like a million times here. Way to go dipshit, you're the biggest lieing joke this subforum's ever had to put up with.

Not by a long shot.

haterz keep on hatin

I don't hate noone, I luv woo.

no homo ma nigguh

srsly tho, HK is smallfries compared to

Spoiler:
the other guy

or ignore him and get on with your life

HWKA's incorrect views on Bioware's storytelling merits notwithstanding, I don't think he's really done anything that warrants such animosity from everyone here. He generally keeps the place fresh with a different approach to these arguments and topics and seems perfectly willing to engage in civil, reasoned discussions with everyone. Even if you disagree with him or think he "sucks" or whatever there's no need for such hostility.

Originally posted by Eminence

Spoiler:
the other guy

😐

Originally posted by The Contact
HWKA's incorrect views on Bioware's storytelling merits notwithstanding, I don't think he's really done anything that warrants such animosity from everyone here. He generally keeps the place fresh with a different approach to these arguments and topics and seems perfectly willing to engage in civil, reasoned discussions with everyone. Even if you disagree with him or think he "sucks" or whatever there's no need for such hostility.

Well, for how long have you been watching these forums?

Originally posted by The Contact
HWKA's incorrect views on Bioware's storytelling merits notwithstanding, I don't think he's really done anything that warrants such animosity from everyone here. He generally keeps the place fresh with a different approach to these arguments and topics and seems perfectly willing to engage in civil, reasoned discussions with everyone. Even if you disagree with him or think he "sucks" or whatever there's no need for such hostility.

On the plus side, he did lead me to that ST vs. SW thread. I'd actually like to get involved there if I had actual sources on hand. Jaden's been using Han's line about "entire fleet=1000 ships" as canon. Where did the 25,000 number come from?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How did I know?

I'm looking at that page in the Battle Bar right now. These were my posts:

Yeah, I said the words "Jaden won" like a million times here. Way to go dipshit, you're the biggest lieing joke this subforum's ever had to put up with.

Are you saying that "Jaden won" and then admitting that you didn't actually read the debate?

Counter this:

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatt reactor cores
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatt reactor cores

Originally posted by Zampanó
Jaden on gimp threads:

Weapon ranges:

Trek Wins.

Why? Because someone showed some unsupported picture?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Are you saying that "Jaden won" and then admitting that you didn't actually read the debate?

No, you half-wit. I asked if he made any good points and wanted to know why he was considered to have won, hence my follow-up question of "Was it because no one could argue against him?"

I never admitted he won. I never said he won. I never conceded he won. I said nothing of the sort. Stop looking for hidden meaning and attacks against. I've actually been in that thread recently looking for wayward flaws in his points.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

Originally posted by The Contact
HWKA's incorrect views on Bioware's storytelling merits notwithstanding, I don't think he's really done anything that warrants such animosity from everyone here. He generally keeps the place fresh with a different approach to these arguments and topics and seems perfectly willing to engage in civil, reasoned discussions with everyone. Even if you disagree with him or think he "sucks" or whatever there's no need for such hostility.

This is not so. His continuing pattern of passive-aggressive self-victimization, when combined with the absurdly personal nature of his intermittent outbursts (not to mention the longevity and import of fault within his construct of the dynamic at KMC) make him considerably more abrasive than you ever were, Neb.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
facepalm

No, you half-wit. I asked if he made any good points and wanted to know why he was considered to have won, hence my follow-up question of "Was it because no one could argue against him?"

Which is obviously your attempt to insult me. Lucien, what I don't understand is that you think that I always debate poorly, when you actually don't look at the vast majority of my debates (not saying that you should, but you're being close minded). I'm actually debating in that thread pretty well.

I never admitted he won. I never said he won. I never conceded he won. I said nothing of the sort. Stop looking for hidden meaning and attacks against. I've actually been in that thread recently looking for wayward flaws in his points.

Then what is your point? You aren't fooling me; you were trying to indirectly insult me.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

What is it with you and your bias against me? Ever since that "What if the Empire invaded modern day Earth" thread you've been hating on me, despite me apologizing to you (even though, while I might have made some mistakes in that thread, you made far, far more) in both PMs and an entire thread devoted to that.

Originally posted by Zampanó
This is not so. His continuing pattern of passive-aggressive self-victimization, when combined with the absurdly personal nature of his intermittent outbursts (not to mention the longevity and import of fault within his construct of the dynamic at KMC) make him considerably more abrasive than you ever were, Neb.

Expect that I didn't do anything to "self victimize" myself in this thread or in the vast of the threads in which a lot of you bash me in.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Which is obviously your attempt to insult me.

But you see an insult to yourself. I didn't even know you had been posting in that thread. Because you dislike me you saw an imaginary insult to you.