Originally posted by Naija boy
Really i dont see how hercules could possibly hold his own against firelord. Hercules cant fly, and is limited to purely physical attacks, meanwhile firelord can just stay in the air and incinearate him while he is on the ground. Firelords range advantage is way too much for hercules. Very bad matchup for him there.
Like I told you before, he could win easily, but he won't. From what I've seen from his encounters with Thor and Hercules, he gets in close range, unleashes some blasts, and even tried to engage Thor physically at one point. I think Hercules can work his way through his blasts or get his hands on him if FireLord fights like he did in his Thor appearances. Thor did. He can however withstand Fire Lord attack's without being burned.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Morgs axe was able to rips surfers board clean in half with only one strike so it would without a doubt kill hercules depending on where it landed. Hercules may be used to taking on opponents with weapons that can kill him but the fact remains that, they CAN KILL him (in this case with one shot) and therefore it is still a huge disadvantage. Moreover, even giving him his mace will not make a fight between he and morg equal because morg still has an insane energy output which Hercules has no counter for(which he can use in conjunction with his axe). So he either goes out via, being split in half or gets taken out via Morgs energy output. Once again terrible matchup
Kill Hercules? I would debate the point but Hercules just doesn't have the feats. I'll guess he'll have to depend on his superior skills, dodging etc.
Morg is not splitting Hercules in half. I think if he get's in close, Hercules would hold his own. Hercules doesn't really have any counter for his energy projection, but from what I've seen, Morg isn't going to be unleashing much more than just regular energy blasts for the majority of the time. But I agree, Hercules would lose the majority to any herald.
Man, Hercules' upgrade is definitely a long time coming.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor being a physical brawler does mean that he has the opportunity to simply beat up Morg in a physical match but also means that he is going to be susceptible to the same treatment from Morg. Moreover in melee combant between two characters with similar fighting styles, Edged weapons are generally superior to blunt weapons due to potential damage output per strike. Then given that Thors durability towards edged weapons has never been the greatest and that we hve seen Morg slice Surfers board in half with one swing.........the rest should be clear. Thor avoiding all of Morgs attacks and not taking even a single hit in Melee combat is highly unlikely (actually it simply wont happen, thors not captain america here) and with each hit Morg will be inflicting much more damage than vice versa. Morgs axe is also longer so he has the reach advantage as well. Hence not the best matchup for thor given his need to brawl with brawlers.....Against Surfer thor has an effective method of countering his main method of attack (energy blasts) and even on the occassions they do land it would cause much less damage than if he gets axed by Morg.
Morg is not beating Thor straight up in a physical match. So what if Morg has a weapon that can damage Thor? It's called dodging and blocking. Thor is physically superior to Morg, along with having a hell of a lot more skill showings. I personally see Thor going toe to toe, locking up with Morg for a bit, and then eventually beating the shit out of him while dodging most of Morg's swipes. When Thor has to use his skill, he does. Which usually ends up showing that he has a pretty great advantage over his opponents. Absorbing Man, and Man Beast can attest to that.
Morg destroying Surfer's board is not evidence his killing Thor with his axe. FireLord has had the power output to do so and the closest he has come to damaging him with his attacks is when he unleashed his energy in an inferno with Thor in the epicenter which caused Thor's strength to start weakening. And that's after Thor had just faced and kill AirWalker.
Thor may not be on Norrin's level in terms of piercing -at least on average- but he also his higher end feats.
Unlikely? It has happened. In my head, I picture this fight ending similar to this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog7.jpg
Or this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg
I am not arguing that Thor is going to dodge every single hit (Although I think he could.) I do see Thor getting hit with the axe once as to learn it's power. But Thor has been shown that when push comes to shove or his in danger, he will dodge attacks instead of taking them square on the chin.
Haha, reach advantage. Good one.
Thor consistently facing beings like the Destroyer, Mangog, etc. makes him very qualified to beat down Morg. And it's not as if Thor has a specific villain that wields an axe while being extremely powerful....
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsExectunioner3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsExectunioner5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsExectunioner6.jpg
Just so show Thor has some experience fighting axe wielding opponents.
Nah, Thor would do better against Morg than he would against Surfer. Morg might wield a bladed weapon, but his weaker, less powerful, and less skilled than Thor. That's a great Thor beat down waiting to happen. Morg should have been created during DeFalco's era.
Question, can Morg's axe return to him? This move alone would be helpful in a battle:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsExectunioner8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsExectunioner9.jpg
I don't think it's a wash for Thor or anything. He did have that one low showing against an amped Loki with a flaming sword designed to hurt Thor, but he takes a majority for certain against Morg. More so than he would against Norrin.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I told you before, he could win easily, but he won't. From what I've seen from his encounters with Thor and Hercules, he gets in close range, unleashes some blasts, and even tried to engage Thor physically at one point. I think Hercules can work his way through his blasts or get his hands on him if FireLord fights like he did in his Thor appearances. Thor did. He can however withstand Fire Lord attack's without being burned.
Attempting to engage in brawls with anyone who is of a similar mindstate, is not an attribute which is entrenched in Firelords character as it is with thor. Hence by virtue of the full capacity and no PIS rules, he would NOT do this. Moreover Hercules and Thor are not equivalent characters. Thor has mjolnir to negate long range blasts from Firelord and return fire. Consequently in a fight against Thor physical engagement would be a much wiser decision than in a fight against a no flight-no blast-no shield character like hercules. Also Firelords blasts are powerful enough to enable him go toe to toe in shootouts with Surfer and severly harm him.....Hercules isnt going to simply wade through them and can infact get koed by them fairly easily.
Kill Hercules? I would debate the point but Hercules just doesn't have the feats. I'll guess he'll have to depend on his superior skills, dodging etc. Morg is not splitting Hercules in half. I think if he get's in close, Hercules would hold his own. Hercules doesn't really have any counter for his energy projection, but from what I've seen, Morg isn't going to be unleashing much more than just regular energy blasts for the majority of the time. But I agree, Hercules would lose the majority to any herald. Man, Hercules' upgrade is definitely a long time coming.
Hercules is what would be described as a skilled brawler. He is no top class MA in terms of things like agility and speed. As a result him getting tagged by Morg is extremely likely. Morg doesnt need to split Herc in half, he simply needs to land a full forced hit somewhere on his upper torso and that will constitute the end of Herc. Further Morgs "regular energy blasts" are also more than strong enough to put Herc out of commission. Integrating them with his axe attacks or emitting them from the axe itself midswing would nullify any skill advantage held by Herc. Herc would lose that battle very quickly (as he would against any herald really)
Morg is not beating Thor straight up in a physical match. So what if Morg has a weapon that can damage Thor? It's called dodging and blocking. Thor is physically superior to Morg, along with having a hell of a lot more skill showings. I personally see Thor going toe to toe, locking up with Morg for a bit, and then eventually beating the shit out of him while dodging most of Morg's swipes. When Thor has to use his skill, he does. Which usually ends up showing that he has a pretty great advantage over his opponents. Absorbing Man, and Man Beast can attest to that. Morg destroying Surfer's board is not evidence his killing Thor with his axe. FireLord has had the power output to do so and the closest he has come to damaging him with his attacks is when he unleashed his energy in an inferno with Thor in the epicenter which caused Thor's strength to start weakening. And that's after Thor had just faced and kill AirWalker.
Thor like Herc is no Captain america so his level of dodging is not overly impressive. Thor is physically superior but in many of his physical fights he still takes almost as much as he dishes out. He cant afford that here. The Firelord example is inapplicable seeing as Thors piercing durability is pretty distinct from his energy durability. Moreover what makes Morgs feat even more impressive is that the silvery material that composes surfers board is in contrast to thor particularly durable against slicng/piercing attacks. The axe has much superior damage potential in melee combat to hammer strikes in this case. Thor is indeed more skilled tho his usage of this skill is not as significant as u make it out to be. Wasnt the fight against man beast the fight were Thor was senses were overwhelmed by the complexity of man beasts karate chop?.....heh, in any case he didnt really showcase any prodigous skillin that fight (especially as far as dodging and agiility are concerned, he just punched man beast out.
Thor may not be on Norrin's level in terms of piercing -at least on average- but he also his higher end feats. Unlikely? It has happened. In my head, I picture this fight ending similar to this: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...efeatsGrog5.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...efeatsGrog6.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...efeatsGrog7.jpg Or this: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...nautvsThor6.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...nautvsThor7.jpg I am not arguing that Thor is going to dodge every single hit (Although I think he could.) I do see Thor getting hit with the axe once as to learn it's power. But Thor has been shown that when push comes to shove or his in danger, he will dodge attacks instead of taking them square on the chin.
Good feats but hardly the stuff of legend. Morg in his battles has also dodged attacks from Terrax and airwalker but i still know that through the course of a fight he is definitely going to take hits. Thor mentality may change to one of evasion during the fight but given his penchant for brawling he is definitely going to get tagged and due to the weapon in play here i doubt he will cope very well with that........
Thor consistently facing beings like the Destroyer, Mangog, etc. makes him very qualified to beat down Morg. And it's not as if Thor has a specific villain that wields an axe while being extremely powerful.... http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ectunioner3.jpg http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ectunioner5.jpg http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ectunioner6.jpg Just so show Thor has some experience fighting axe wielding opponents. Nah, Thor would do better against Morg than he would against Surfer. Morg might wield a bladed weapon, but his weaker, less powerful, and less skilled than Thor. That's a great Thor beat down waiting to happen. Morg should have been created during DeFalco's era. Question, can Morg's axe return to him? This move alone would be helpful in a battle: http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ectunioner8.jpg http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/...ectunioner9.jpg I don't think it's a wash for Thor or anything. He did have that one low showing against an amped Loki with a flaming sword designed to hurt Thor, but he takes a majority for certain against Morg. More so than he would against Norrin.
The destroyer and Mangog are very different opponents and thor doesnt do that well against them anyways. Moreover the executional is similar but id say is a step below in powerlevel. Morg might be physically weaker and less powerful than Thor but the nature of his weapon gives him the superior damage output which neutralizes those advantages. Moreover i dont see the skill advantage being significant considering they both of have similar fighting styles. I havent seen Morgs axe return to him in a similar manner that thors hammer does though. I dont think Thor takes a majority from Norrin at all either but for the aforementioned reasons neither do i think he does from Morg in his typical mindstate. Anyhow i know u wont budge on this one tho so w/e......Suffice to say that even if Thor does beat Morg Heralds will still win. further An advantage of this match up is that if thor faces Morg then Norrin is facing another opponent (and on that team thor has the best chance against him) who he would probably finish with alot quicker leaving him open to help others out.
You know, I have been playing over this fight in my head, and ultimately the Heralds win; and they win convincingly any way I try and spin it...
The "God Squads" only chance is if Thor and Bill DOMINATE the battle field; lighting needs to be striking and streaking down from the heavens with the consistency of rain falling from the sky...
Thor will have to make use of the Anti-Force heavily in this battle (honestly not sure if Bill has the Anti-Force as well)....and Thor and Bill will have to be completely relentless and not hold back one iota...I dare say Thor may have to summon up Warriors Madness out of sheer desperation.
The problem is that IF (and this is a big if as the following strategy doesnt fit in with some of the characters personalities...but PIS/CIS is off...right?) the Heralds can all stay airborne and render Herc almost useless...so they can make the fight 5 on 4...
And I truly believe Wonder Woman struggles mightily against the Heralds versatility and wont last that long...so I truly believe it wont be long until its 5 vs 3...unless, of course, Thor and Bill are ruthless and maximize the power of the storm...and even then, they are still battling against 5 Heralds...and thats tough.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Attempting to engage in brawls with anyone who is of a similar mindstate, is not an attribute which is entrenched in Firelords character as it is with thor. Hence by virtue of the full capacity and no PIS rules, he would NOT do this. Moreover Hercules and Thor are not equivalent characters. Thor has mjolnir to negate long range blasts from Firelord and return fire. Consequently in a fight against Thor physical engagement would be a much wiser decision than in a fight against a no flight-no blast-no shield character like hercules. Also Firelords blasts are powerful enough to enable him go toe to toe in shootouts with Surfer and severly harm him.....Hercules isnt going to simply wade through them and can infact get koed by them fairly easily.
I'll remember that. I was basing his fighting style off of how he was portrayed against Hercules and Thor. As someone who stays at close range while prone to unleashing blasts. Based on that, Hercules wouldn't be owned easily. But like I said, he simply doesn't have the feats. Exchange Hercules for Thor....
I'll have to dig out those fights. Severely harm Norrin eh. I recall him being able to rock and hurt Norrin, but not to the point it was sever.
Hercules being portrayed as close to Thor simply stops that scenario from playing out in my head unfortunately.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Hercules is what would be described as a skilled brawler. He is no top class MA in terms of things like agility and speed. As a result him getting tagged by Morg is extremely likely. Morg doesnt need to split Herc in half, he simply needs to land a full forced hit somewhere on his upper torso and that will constitute the end of Herc. Further Morgs "regular energy blasts" are also more than strong enough to put Herc out of commission. Integrating them with his axe attacks or emitting them from the axe itself midswing would nullify any skill advantage held by Herc. Herc would lose that battle very quickly (as he would against any herald really)
Once again, lack of feats for Hercules. Damn it. Chaos War will be a long time coming. Hercules will probably gain the power of Zeus. Based on his fight with Typhoon, I think he could manage to block Morg's attacks. That's about the extent of my defense for Hercules at this point. I've lost interest in doing any digging for feats I've forgotten.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor like Herc is no Captain america so his level of dodging is not overly impressive.
😬 I think you miswrote that. Or at least I misunderstood it. Since Thor nor Hercules are Captain America, their level of dodging automatically becomes less impressive? What if you saw Thor and Captain America perform the exact same acrobatic move in a comic? Would Roger’s feat automatically be superior because his an a A list street character? I mean, you could argue that Thor has superior stats, but I don’t see how that distinction matters in our discussion.
And if you want to see Thor doing some Captain America esque dodging, here:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsDragon.jpg
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor is physically superior but in many of his physical fights he still takes almost as much as he dishes out. He cant afford that here.
Yes, Thor’s known for his damage soak. But it’s also been shown, more than once, that if he needs to, he will dodge. Thor tanking attacks seems to be more of a choice from what I’ve seen (Except when his facing a superior opponent obviously) Here for example he dodges every single attack of Masterson (Further showcasing his ability to dodge blows through superior skill):
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor3.jpg
He then goes on to fight him head to head when angry.
Using this logic:
Originally posted by Naija boy
is entrenched in Firelords character as it is with thor. Hence by virtue of the full capacity and no PIS rules, he would NOT do this
There’s even more likelihood he’d be using his superior skills. Thor has shown an affinity for outmaneuvering, dodging or blocking bladed weapons –at least trying to- through his history. He does have some low showings, like the Crusader and flaming sword Loki fight, but there were circumstances in those scenes.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The Firelord example is inapplicable seeing as Thors piercing durability is pretty distinct from his energy durability. Moreover what makes Morgs feat even more impressive is that the silvery material that composes surfers board is in contrast to thor particularly durable against slicng/piercing attacks. The axe has much superior damage potential in melee combat to hammer strikes in this case.
Okay fine. Thor takes a blow from the enchanted mace of Tyr no problem:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsTyr2.jpg
This fight also supports my stance on how Thor deals with opponents that have weapons of piercing nature.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsTyr5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsTyr6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsTyr7.jpg
Volstagg breaks his axe on Thor:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor34.jpg
Thor takes a slash from the God Killer Super Skrull:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull12.jpg
A depowered Masterson takes multiple attacks from the Bloodaxe to the face and only has a bruise to show for it:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsBloodaxe8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsBloodaxe9.jpg
Thor’s able to withstand a slash from Perrikus’ axe to the chest:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus3.jpg
A pages later, Perrikus slashes Mjolnir in half.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus4.jpg
Slashing Mjolnir in half > Destroying Surfer’s board.
Much superior damage potential? Overboard. It’s true that a powerful weapon like the Bloodaxe would be more useful -more fatal- than Mjolnir in close quarter’s combat, but that doesn’t mean Thor is handicapped or severely underpowered in damage potential.
Perrikus has a bladed weapon –which has superior reach to Mjolnir since you think that matters apparently- on top of vast energy projection and when Thor went all out against him, he beat the crap out of him:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus10.jpg
Twice.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus11.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus12.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus13.jpg
Notice how Perrikus was shown taking on the Destroyer Armor and Hercules -might have been mortal at least not at full power- at the same.
Here he fights an even more powerful version and withstands a slice from his weapon one more time:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg
And no, Thor wasn’t accessing the Odin Power here as revealed.
Albeit he used the Bloodaxe to stomp him there. The best Perrikus has done against Thor was in the first fight where he got the edge over a shocked Thor and defeated him because he turned into Olsen.
And since we’re discussing Thor taking on opponents with bladed weapons. Here he takes on Ulik with an axe:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsUlik1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsUlik2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsUlik3.jpg
Notice how he immediately dodges. I could show various scenes where Thor attempts to block or defend against bladed weapons. That's the norm I'd say.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor is indeed more skilled tho his usage of this skill is not as significant as u make it out to be. Wasnt the fight against man beast the fight were Thor was senses were overwhelmed by the complexity of man beasts karate chop?.....heh, in any case he didnt really showcase any prodigous skillin that fight (especially as far as dodging and agiility are concerned, he just punched man beast out.
Nope. Man Beast used some deadly time disorienting sense chop. Thor of course went on to overwhelm him and then straight up beat the shit out of him. If Thor’s kicking the crap out of Morg, he won’t really need to dodge anything.
Thor has plenty of skill showings by the way. I could post them. Along with some agility/speed feats. If you like.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Good feats but hardly the stuff of legend. Morg in his battles has also dodged attacks from Terrax and airwalker but i still know that through the course of a fight he is definitely going to take hits. Thor mentality may change to one of evasion during the fight but given his penchant for brawling he is definitely going to get tagged and due to the weapon in play here i doubt he will cope very well with that........
It’s a fair bit more impressive than Morg dodging a single punch from AirWalker -I don't recall him dodging an attack from Terrax at least not in the battle where he killed Nova- and lends more credibility to the stance that Thor would dodge Morg’s attacks if he were inclined to.
Once again, you’re acting as if a slash from Morg’s axe equals death to Thor. Clearly not the case taking into account some of Thor’s piercing feats along with how much damage his been able to withstand in the past. I've seen him take a sword through the chest and keep on going.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The destroyer and Mangog are very different opponents and thor doesnt do that well against them anyways.
Thor goes toe to toe with the Destroyer for almost all their battles. He was on the receiving end of Silver Age Mangog however. But he has shown he can beat down the latest incarnation when push comes to shove.
Their incredibly powerful brutes. They are different from Morg in the sense that they don’t have bladed weapons and in turn Thor usually tanks their hits, but it shows Thor’s experience with dealing opponents with superior damage dealing capabilities (Which apparently think Morg has.)
Originally posted by Naija boy
Moreover the executional is similar but id say is a step below in powerlevel. Morg might be physically weaker and less powerful than Thor but the nature of his weapon gives him the superior damage output which neutralizes those advantages. Moreover i dont see the skill advantage being significant considering they both of have similar fighting styles. I havent seen Morgs axe return to him in a similar manner that thors hammer does though.
Executioner is a beast. Thor level in power I’d say. I don’t see how at this point Morg wielding a bladed weapon gives him the advantage or neutralizes Thor’s. It just means that instead of tanking the hits, Thor will most likely dodge them.
So Thor’s tactic –taking out the bladed weapon out of play- would work on Morg. Good to know.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I dont think Thor takes a majority from Norrin at all either but for the aforementioned reasons neither do i think he does from Morg in his typical mindstate. Anyhow i know u wont budge on this one tho so w/e......Suffice to say that even if Thor does beat Morg Heralds will still win. further An advantage of this match up is that if thor faces Morg then Norrin is facing another opponent (and on that team thor has the best chance against him) who he would probably finish with alot quicker leaving him open to help others out.
Yea, but you’re a Silver Slurper -thanks Jelly- so your opinion doesn’t matter. 😄
To each his own I guess.
To be honest? I don’t care which team wins anymore. I’m in “defend Thor mode” right now.
I don’t think Norrin would finish with Bill a lot quicker than he would with Thor.
