Originally posted by h1a8it just means any type of non sanctioned fistfight, imo with not so skilled/professional fighters (like a bar fight)
Isn't that is what a slugfest is, taking turns? And not putting up a defense?
a hockey fight is synonymous for a slugfest
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i still see no reason not to give this to thor, surfer simply lacks the feats to bolster any confidense he can win with JUST fisticuffs agaist someone in the elite high herald class (thor, supes, etc) that are sitting on hundreds of feats knocking people around using physical force.
when surfer needs to bulk up he cn, but he just lacks a definite set of feats that guage what kind of sheer physical power he's packing. knocking green scar and the warbound was okay and all, but it's still not enough to say he beats thor in that area of combat.