The Kraken to me is one of those flawed characters that shouldn't be used in these kind of things. To gimp him, would be out of character of the character, just like using Neo, Jesus and Dr. Manhatten. I may be wrong about that last one, haven't seen every movie in the world, so there might be someone there that could beat him.
Originally posted by steverules_2
Hey I agree, I think that Kraken wins too. I didn't mind cloverfield and believe the ending kinda ruined it for me and as for the remake of COTT well...I prefer the original much, much more.
Originally posted by Scythe
The Kraken to me is one of those flawed characters that shouldn't be used in these kind of things. To gimp him, would be out of character of the character, just like using Neo, Jesus and Dr. Manhatten. I may be wrong about that last one, haven't seen every movie in the world, so there might be someone there that could beat him.
The original one was neat, he reminded me of Gumby, I've always wanted to see them two fight.
Originally posted by omgchos
Well in the first clash, the kraken was just a left over Titan that the gods had caged up for some reason. I mean they killed or enslaved all the other titans. This one just got locked up by Poseidon. But neways he wasnt unbeatable by any means. Its just that for some demi-god with no real super powers to speak of would need a weapon to beat it. In this case medusa's head. But they made the Kraken some type of higher than the gods creature in this one.
Yeah, at least that's the gist I got from the movie, he's UNBEATABLE.
Originally posted by omgchos
I still dont understand why they remade it and changed things. I didn't think that was the point u know. Its not a remake so much as a knock off.
They thought that if they added more action sequences and better graphics that people would be like 'Wow this is awesome!' To me it was a knock off, I watched the original I think the day before I saw the remake, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or not but gave it a go and I did enjoy it. Then I saw the remake and although the graphics were greatly and vastly much better it didn't make up for the fact that it was nothing compared the original. Some remakes I enjoy such as the 2006 remake of the hills have eyes, proof that a remake can be good when done correctly.
Originally posted by Scythe
I thought it looked pretty b*tchin' but should've been created as its own monster, not there to replace the original. I think I've deviated enough from the purpose of this thread, so I'm gonna get back on topic, so who wins here? Kraken? I know, right? Rematch you say? Oh, he won again.
The Kraken was not above the gods. First, he was contained by the gods..hence the phrase..."Unleash the Kraken". Second, the gods cursed Medusa into the form of a gorgon..which brought down the Kraken. If the gods can curse someone with the ability to turn any living being into stone...it stands to reason that the gods would possess similar powers within themselves.
Originally posted by omgchos
That analogy doesnt apply hear. The boss is in charge and has the power to fire you. The director doesnt have the power to say things about the stroy after the fact as it applies to this forum. If you dont see something happen in the movie, or there is no after the fact allusion to it. then it didnt happen.Like i said i didnt see the new one. I was under the impression that it wasnt gonna be that dissimilar from the old one. But it turns out wheneever someone remakes a movie they may as well have given it a different title. And i did say if all this BS about the kraken being a part of hades or w/e is true than he wins.
Interesting topic, but I think I can add something to the Cloverfield side.
The point about the director saying the Clover monster being dead may not be valid as many times Hollywood decide to continue a franchise and suddenly a seemingly dead antagonist is alive and kicking. With there being plans for a Cloverfield sequel we may yet see baby Clover live to fight another day.
We also have the size comparisons, given that this is Greece we are talking about I am not entirely convinced the insider was right by saying the Kraken was 500 feet tall... Maybe he didn't, did he mean 500 ft long? I don't know, ain't seen the interview but Clover extended it's arm to the near top of a skyscraper after already starting to fall down after being hit by carpet bombs. It also nudged the helicopter with its head which was easily 500 feet in the air indicating it can jump even from a lying down position, that takes immense strength given its size.
On the issue of the Kraken being indestructible we must look at it in context, the Gods were right in that timeline as nothing around them could beat it down but how we're the Gods to know that today's military would have weapons that would be able to kill even them. Greek Gods were far from invincible themselves and they were more powerful than the Krakens kind, shoot rockets at the Krakens legs and would they remain in tact enough to support its weight? Non-magical weapons could kill Gods from that era in lore, today's weapons would do more damage.
If the Kraken was to strangle Cloverfield what is the stop Clover from biting through the tentacle? It easily bit through metal. And then let's look at biology...
The new Kraken appears to be somewhat bipedal but Cloverfield is no doubt quadrapedal, and even lighter quadrapedal animals can over power larger bipedal animals. Cloverfield had short stubby hind legs, longer fore legs. Like a bear or tiger, it likely utilises massive pushing power from the back to over power all other animals including larger prey. If we look at Likns, they are not powerful pushers because their hind legs are long and thin in relation. We have to assume Clover must be a tank in that regard because we have direct biliogical examples in the real world. With the Krakan standing, it could be three times bigger and five times heavier... Clover will still bowl it over, those short stubby legs were reason it ploughed through another Skyscraper after the main characters exited the buildings they rescues the girlfriend from. It's ridiculous pushing ability made that Skyscraper look like paper.
It would be a great fight but I don't think it quite as dry cut as some here believe, Zeus was vulnerable in lore... You can bet that the Kraken was as well even if they say differently in the film. Indestrucability is relative, and in Ancient Greek times a Challenger 2 tank would be indestructible for certain.
PS. Clover used it hands to shield it's face from a modern Stalin's Organ type machine, that's pretty darn awesome and unlike Kraken, he didn't appear to be slow and laboured. Before they reached that underground entrance he was moving over the buildings with good speed, and at the end with the stealth bomber he was moving across a manhattan block in a matter of seconds. I think it could knock down the Kraken and who knows what that wide opening gigantic mouth can do then?
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