JLA vs Avengers rematch

Originally posted by Stoic
In all fairness he would be tied up with Monica, don't you think?

No, because WW can fly after Monica without Mantis doing anything, and he can run faster than Monica or Mantis and likewise pick.

They have more control over the matchup.

The thread starter has it in that order so why break the rules?

Just because they're in an order in the post does not mean they have to match up that way, heck the teams don't know the order at all, they aren't given a list or anything.

Most often, both teams generally face who they think is a good match, that is the toughest foe they think they can take who's not already taken by a teammate they think is going to win. And the JLA has a standard procedure to switch things up if they aren't winning.

If one side has a means that can control some matchups better, they're free to use it. Why wouldn't they try to win?

As it is both teams would have a hell of a fight on their hands as is, what if Thor took on Aquaman, flattened him real quick and ran after J'onn? Wouldn't be fair then would it?

Thor has that option, but that frees up Superman to go after someone too, or Superman would try and intercept him.

On the flip side, the switch I proposed would be easy to pull off.

Likewise I might see
Aquaman(Magic Water Hand) vs Mar-Vell
and
Martian Manhunter vs Wonderman

switching around, simply because J'onn and Mar-vell are both fliers and Aquaman and Wonderman are both grounded.

It'll still result in a 1-win-for-each, the tactics don't result in a big swing, but fliers tend to match up against fliers in comic fights, groundeds vs groundeds, and so on.

Originally posted by Stoic
The thread starter has it in that order so why break the rules? As it is both teams would have a hell of a fight on their hands as is, what if Thor took on Aquaman, flattened him real quick and ran after J'onn? Wouldn't be fair then would it?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I know that the rules for a normal forum match classify JLA/Avengers as non-cannon, but for the purposes of this thread we're going to assume that it IS cannon evidence for all parties. No one gets "basic knowledge" on the opposing team beyond what they ended JLA/Avengers with. Since I don't think these versions of Wonder Man and Aquaman were seen in the crossover, just assume that Grandmaster somehow gave them any memories their future versions aquired in the crossover.

Superman(current)
Green Lantern(Hal)
Flash(Wally)
Wonder Woman
Aquaman(Magic Water Hand)
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm

vs

Thor(classic)
Quasar
Monica Rambeau
Mantis(Celestial Madonna)
Mar-Vell
Pre Ionic Form Wonder Man(when he learned to grow, regenerate limbs, etc.)
Sersi

Everyone begins the match "Battle Ready" and fights in character(assume that only the winning team will be returned to their universe to help determine what will constitute "is character"😉. The battlefield is in a neutral universe(Speed Force works though) and looks identical to the one they fought on at the end of issue 2. Also note that this is a team battle, not 7 independant fights between logical counterparts.

Who takes it?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Just because he's always in a cheerful mood, doesn't mean he was moving at a slower speed. I mean, why would he? Mantis still managed to trip him pretty easily and I can see her tripping Wally, too. Then BAM! pressure point. Don't see this happening 10/10. Heck, I don't see this happening 5/10. Maybe 3/10. But I think it's possible.

Wally has also been tripped in the comics because you know he is not always moving at top speed.... In this fight he will be trying to win hence using his full ability.

When someone is joking around it usually means they are not going all out.... that was the reason given to why he failed to capture Surfer. Considering how Runner was talking about them < made them seem weak> It safe bet that the Runner could dispose them.

Tripping Runner doesn't mean she can trip Wally... Mantis need light Speed plus reaction speed to compete with Wally.... if she does have them I would love to see it.

Originally posted by kgkg
I don't think Monica has the Speed to stop Wallly....and you have to remember that Sersi and Mantis can be taken down easily if Wally can get some alone time with them.... They need to stop Wally quickly because he will started picking the Avengers apart starting with the grounded members.

Also it's not like the Avenger can afford to put attention on Wally since they others will be attack as well...

See people like Sersi can be deadly to the JLA that's why they will target someone like her from the getgo.

And while Monica might not be able to match Wally's speed after he breaks lightspeed, she'll be able to match it right up till then(and may afterwards if she's composed of GL energy).

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Just because he's always in a cheerful mood, doesn't mean he was moving at a slower speed. I mean, why would he? Mantis still managed to trip him pretty easily and I can see her tripping Wally, too. Then BAM! pressure point. Don't see this happening 10/10. Heck, I don't see this happening 5/10. Maybe 3/10. But I think it's possible.

tripping someone like Wally or Runner is clearly PIS for someone who doesn't have superspeed..they are basically like a statue to Wally or Runner..it is virtually impossible to trip them if u don't have comparable speed..

Lesse what'd happen if everyone when 'headhunter,' the strong picking on the weak...

Thor vs Aquaman
GL vs Mantis
Superman vs Mar-vell
Hmm... Quasar vs Firestorm? We're starting to get out of stompable DC-ers and we still have Wonderman to be beaten by J'onn, so I'll stop there, such tactics seem to favor DC if both teams do it.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
tripping someone like Wally or Runner is clearly PIS for someone who doesn't have superspeed..they are basically like a statue to Wally or Runner..it is virtually impossible to trip them if u don't have comparable speed..

Going to bed will reply to posts tomorrow. Goodnight.

Originally posted by kgkg
We don't know what speed he was moving at... that my point... but if you can find proof of Mantis being able to react to light speed attacks than It really doesn't matter you have a case that she can stop Wally.... But that is far from the case here.

Wally has also been tripped in the comics because you know he is not always moving at top speed.... In this fight he will be trying to win hence using his full ability.

When someone is joking around it usually means they are not going all out.... that was the reason given to why he failed to capture Surfer. Considering how Runner was talking about them < made them seem weak> It safe bet that the Runner could dispose them.

Tripping Runner doesn't mean she can trip Wally... Mantis need light Speed plus reaction speed to compete with Wally.... if she does have them I would love to see it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Mantis is a mentat who's body is composed of mental energy(and has the ability to project her conciousness through time), her tripping runner isn't necessarily PIS. It could be, but it's far from definate.

she still move way slower than Runner..Runner should have seen it..cuz u know..in Runners eyes..she is like moving in slow motion..it is clearly PIS..anyone who trip a speedster when he himself doesn't have superspeed is PIS..

Originally posted by Stoic
I keep hearing this, but then I hear that he does (I'm so confused) I'll take your word for it. Quasar still has two arms to his one though.

he has no weakness to yellow. even when parallax is inside the battery hal knows how to defend against yellow.

two hands never made that much of a difference, tbh. hal can make multiple projectiles/attacks.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he has no weakness to yellow. even when parallax is inside the battery hal knows how to defend against yellow.

two hands never made that much of a difference, tbh. hal can make multiple projectiles/attacks.

Quasar can do the same, but it will be far easier for Quasar to deflect Hals bombardment while slapping him around with the other hand, than it would be for Hal to do this to him. basically it's like having a two great boxers fight. One has two arms while the other has one due to a broken hand. They both have nearly the same powers, Quasar just has the advantage.

nice line-up for avengers....pretty original.
I find both teams to be equals in terms of power and I give the win to the Avengers only due to personal preference (5,1/10).

two things though.
1. the Flash deus ex machina thing is way overated. considering he is not a (regular) flyer and Quasar has cosmic awareness and speed >>> light I don't see him being as untouchable as you make him to be

2. Sersi being a weak link is funny

Originally posted by darthgoober
What what are you talking about in regards to him failing to capture Surfer?

Split.

Originally posted by Stoic
Quasar can do the same, but it will be far easier for Quasar to deflect Hals bombardment while slapping him around with the other hand, than it would be for Hal to do this to him. basically it's like having a two great boxers fight. One has two arms while the other has one due to a broken hand. They both have nearly the same powers, Quasar just has the advantage.

i don't see how that applies at all. if hal wants to use both hands, he can. he's done it before. the ring responds to his thoughts, not his hand position.