Zatanna vs Raven

Zatanna vs Raven in a fight, who do you think would win.

- I've been having this debate with a friend, I'm interested in hearing different points of view.

Here's how we've been going at it; I think Zee can stop Raven with just one word, like "pots" or "ekohc". But she thinks Raven will be able to close Zatanna's mouth or incapacitate her or mind-rape her. However, Zee saying these one word attacks can take less than half a second. Zatanna is fast enough to stop bullets. Or are Raven thought attacks faster?

Let me know what ya'll think! 🙂

Z.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Z.

Zatanna has always been a bit of a plot device character, but lately they've been flatly stating that she's one of the most powerful magical beings on the DC Earth.

So she wins, HARD. Raven's offensive powers are weak sauce.

Originally posted by Desaad
Zatanna has always been a bit of a plot device character, but lately they've been flatly stating that she's one of the most powerful magical beings on the DC Earth.

So she wins, HARD. Raven's offensive powers are weak sauce.

Zatanna's also been beaten by a 15 year old girl (an unarmed Speedy)

Raven tends to monologue anyway.

I don't think that's a really good point, since she knows about zatanna's powers and would have to stop her quickly. :/

I'm not convinced her powers would let her take Zatanna out, even if she reacted immediately.

What defense does Zee have? Remember when speedy beat her up easily? and she was unarmed. What defense does Zatanna have against Raven's soul self?

WHAT IF: Raven teleports behind Zatanna easily touches her head with her finger and fills her mind with all the horrors of Azarath. And Zee has a bloody seizure and falls flat.

raven wins just incase you show the thread to your friend.

this is what I was talking about.

i think z wins TBH!

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
i think z wins TBH!

i dont see what i need to add to the previous posters, just letting people know what i think

there has not been any posters (yet) to give a good enough argument as to why she would win. That's why I wanted you to expand on your answer. :/

Zatanna.

Raven's empathy isn't as powerful as J'onn's telepathy and Zatanna has proven capable of locking him out on more than one occasion.

As for the soul self, it has to manifest and then make it's way to Zatanna to do anything. Zatanna's magic, on the other hand, is instantaneous.

Zee wins 10/10.

Dark Raven is a different story.

Originally posted by Konton
Raven's empathy isn't as powerful as J'onn's telepathy and Zatanna has proven capable of locking him out on more than one occasion.

As for the soul self, it has to manifest and then make it's way to Zatanna to do anything. Zatanna's magic, on the other hand, is instantaneous.

Zee wins 10/10.

Dark Raven is a different story.

What is Dark Raven?

Originally posted by Konton
Raven's empathy isn't as powerful as J'onn's telepathy and Zatanna has proven capable of locking him out on more than one occasion.

As for the soul self, it has to manifest and then make it's way to Zatanna to do anything. Zatanna's magic, on the other hand, is instantaneous.

Zee wins 10/10.

Dark Raven is a different story.

She may have a telepathy resistance but empathy is different. And how is her magic instant when she has to speak it?

Z for the the solid majority