Lady Shiva & Batgril Vs Shang-Chi & Daredevil

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Croc is a sometimes bullet proof, class 2... that is isn't the impressive feat you seem to think it is. It's not like Croc is the Lizard... he isn't even that loser Bullet who Daredevil smacks around.

I'm not talking about the fact that she beat him as impressive. She casually broke his arm without apparent effort, Croc has some seriously thick bones and muscles. That's some nice strength.

Everything else is pretty much middle of the road standard street level fodder.

Really? It's not often I see people punch so hard their knuckles can be seen outside the back of someone's skull. Or in Cass's case, knock out a person who Batman specifically said "hit hard enough to crush a normal person's skull" to knock out.

That strikes me as fairly high-street stuff, definitely non-fodder.

breaking his arm isnt str, its applying force to the right location to create leverage. theres a quote that says "with the right amount of leverage i could lift the world"

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
breaking his arm isnt str, its applying force to the right location to create leverage. theres a quote that says "with the right amount of leverage i could lift the world"

How is it leverage when it's just hitting? Leverage happens when you grab and bend or have something to bend with, she punched and kicked.

She even says it's a comminuted injury (that is, the bone is crushed). Also looking at the page, Shiva mentioned three injuries: Greenstick fracture on one leg (fracture that doesn't go all the way through), and comminuted on both the other leg and arm.

Now Croc is a lot less able to roll with or evade an injury than anyone here, which can lessen damage significantly, but in terms of raw toughness he's still going to have much larger, tougher, and better protected bones.

Team 1.

Originally posted by Konton
Team 1. DD isn't quite on par with these guys.

Read more Daredevil.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, this is true. Shiva punches through people's skulls and has broken Killer Croc's arm and Cass's kicked through multiple inches of bulletproof glass and snapped swords with a knife-hand (as well as a bunch of other fairly impressive impact feats). They manage.

I'm leaning towards Team 2, but would love to see a scan of Lady Shiva accomplishing this feat against Killer Croc (if you have one available).

Originally posted by Juk3n
Read more Daredevil.

I read all Daredevil.

Originally posted by Konton
I read all Daredevil.

Originally posted by Konton
Team 1. DD isn't quite on par with these guys.

Really? 😬

What particular H2H combat catagory is DD not on par with Shiva?

you must answer with a straite face..

I bet Shang is grateful he's on DD's team and not BG or Shiva after what DD did to him.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1282333615

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I bet Shang is grateful he's on DD's team and not BG or Shiva after what DD did to him.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1282333615

Oh shit DDs eyes are glowing. Team Fing 2 FTW.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I bet Shang is grateful he's on DD's team and not BG or Shiva after what DD did to him.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1282333615

Shang-Chi being owned by Daredevil? Wow! Considering Shang-Chi's previous feats, I'm disappointed.

I'm not considering all of DD previous feats the guy is a nightmare for anyone of his peers.

Originally posted by Magneto1982
Shang-Chi being owned by Daredevil? Wow! Considering Shang-Chi's previous feats, I'm disappointed.

DD obvoulsy has had an upgrade.

He's just been holding back all these years, right now during Shadowland, is his NORMAL operating level.

😱

Originally posted by Magneto1982
I'm leaning towards Team 2, but would love to see a scan of Lady Shiva accomplishing this feat against Killer Croc (if you have one available).

Hm, I don't, the respect thread doesn't seem to have it yet.

Also, we don't really get to see the fight. It was when Shiva was with the Birds of Prey and Croc was sent after Crime Doctor, in the Perfect Pitch trade.

They did a brief clash, Croc gloated, then Shiva said, "The first hit was just to see how fast you process pain. Pretty slow- I inflicted three wounds you didn't even notice yet." Croc- "Oh, this is going to suck." *Collapses as the effects hit him*

So a bit of a speed feat in the not-even-notice department. Shiva looked to be doing it with one hand behind her back too.

Originally posted by Magneto1982
Shang-Chi being owned by Daredevil? Wow! Considering Shang-Chi's previous feats, I'm disappointed.

DD is currently possessed by a demon (possibly the Beast, but I'm not sure) that is allegedly more powerful than Ghost Rider.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm not talking about the fact that she beat him as impressive. She casually broke his arm without apparent effort, Croc has some seriously thick bones and muscles. That's some nice strength.

Really? It's not often I see people punch so hard their knuckles can be seen outside the back of someone's skull. Or in Cass's case, knock out a person who Batman specifically said "hit hard enough to crush a normal person's skull" to knock out.

That strikes me as fairly high-street stuff, definitely non-fodder.

You are over estimating Croc's durability, like I said earlier, he is a sometimes bullet proof, class two.

The Leopard Blow isn't a strength feat, it is a skill feat (that several other DC U MAs are stated to know fyi), and on a pure math stand point the PSI needed to crush a human skull isn't even that high, some real life heavy weight boxers technically can punch hard enough to do it.

Originally posted by Konton
The whole physical superiority thing is contrived and based on gender. Gender doesn't mean shit in comics.

Agreed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are over estimating Croc's durability, like I said earlier, he is a sometimes bullet proof, class two.

Yea, that's *more* than a human. A lot more. Crushing the bones of someone like that is impressive, and more durability than any human foe will have.

So I'm not sure how that's supposed to go against what I'm saying.

The Leopard Blow isn't a strength feat, it is a skill feat (that several other DC U MAs are stated to know fyi), and on a pure math stand point the PSI needed to crush a human skull isn't even that high, some real life heavy weight boxers technically can punch hard enough to do it.

No, no heavyweight boxer comes close to strong enough. Cracking the skull maybe, but not the kind of damage she does (part of which is the way a skull is shaped, round is great for distributing impact). Also it's penetrating the skull twice- on the way in and out.

I think the only others who know it are Batman, Richard Dragon, and Cass... and at the least no-one who's not crazy-high level can do it.