Originally posted by marwash22
team 2.Once again, there's no realistic shot of anyone who isn't Meta, beating DD in a forum fight.
Cass is "I can't believe it's not meta," and if Shiva can handle Shang I can still see the first team winning.
I don't think either of these two teams has a sure thing, it'll be bitterly hard fought either way and probably even the winner will lose at least one.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, that's *more* than a human. A lot more. Crushing the bones of someone like that is impressive, and more durability than any human foe will have.So I'm not sure how that's supposed to go against what I'm saying.
No, no heavyweight boxer comes close to strong enough. Cracking the skull maybe, but not the kind of damage she does (part of which is the way a skull is shaped, round is great for distributing impact). Also it's penetrating the skull twice- on the way in and out.
I think the only others who know it are Batman, Richard Dragon, and Cass... and at the least no-one who's not crazy-high level can do it.
It takes less than 100 PSI to fracture a skull, and some real world heavy weights can punch upwards of 1800 PSI... there is just more to it than a pure numbers game. When you are standing up and get punched your body can move with the force of punch so it isn't as devastating, but that doesn't change the fact that punch is still technically strong enough to crush a human skull on paper. If you stood up against a wall with the back of your skull firmly supported and took a direct punch to the face from Mike Tyson, his fist would be insider your head.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It takes less than 100 PSI to fracture a skull, and some real world heavy weights can punch upwards of 1800 PSI... there is just more to it than a pure numbers game. When you are standing up and get punched your body can move with the force of punch so it isn't as devastating, but that doesn't change the fact that punch is still technically strong enough to crush a human skull on paper. If you stood up against a wall with the back of your skull firmly supported and took a direct punch to the face from Mike Tyson, his fist would be insider your head.
Yes, if it's braced that's one thing but keep in mind we are not talking about a braced skull in these examples, those nice shock-absorbant necks have been free to move, and penetrating/crushing also requires a lot more force than fracturing, penetrating twice even more-so.
We're talking about multiple crushed (not just fractured) bones done on a non-braced standing superhuman target in a few moments with the Croc example.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, if it's braced that's one thing but keep in mind we are not talking about a braced skull in these examples, those nice shock-absorbant necks have been free to move, and penetrating/crushing also requires a lot more force than fracturing, penetrating twice even more-so.We're talking about multiple crushed (not just fractured) bones done on a non-braced standing superhuman target in a few moments with the Croc example.
My point remains, punching hard enough to crush a human skull and actually crushing a human skull with a punch are two completely different things. As I've said plenty of boxers can punch that hard on paper, it's just that far more factors into accomplishing such a feat then the force of the punch. Batgirl didn't crush a skull with her punch, she just punched hard enough to do it... which is something that is humanly possible. The only thing that feat proves is that Cass can punch with equal or greater force as a heavy weight boxer (which I don't think anyone ever really doubted), but that isn't an indication of super strength.
The Leapord's Blow is a skill feat, not a strength feat... and since it is just a long punch strike with the foreknuckles, durability is a far greater factor than strength even if we completely ignore the skill aspect.
I think you severely over estimate the durability of the human body. It doesn't take much to break a bone and Croc is only marginally superhuman.
Originally posted by marwash22
team 2.Once again, there's no realistic shot of anyone who isn't Meta, beating DD in a forum fight.
You think that Batman has no chance of beating him? You sad little man. I can understand someone believing that Daredevil would take Batman for a majority (I don't agree with it, but I can understand it) but I don't see how you can say that Daredevil would beat Batman 10/10.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot at this point no but when snakeroot fully emerges i think he will be an uberbeast maybe in the mid range.
😐You think that Batman has no chance of beating him? You sad little man. I can understand someone believing that Daredevil would take Batman for a majority (I don't agree with it, but I can understand it) but I don't see how you can say that Daredevil would beat Batman 10/10.
Originally posted by Omega Visionwhen did i say 10/10? Even if it's 6/10 in DD's favor, that's still a win, therefore, my statement holds up.
😐You think that Batman has no chance of beating him? You sad little man. I can understand someone believing that Daredevil would take Batman for a majority (I don't agree with it, but I can understand it) but I don't see how you can say that Daredevil would beat Batman 10/10.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
😐You think that Batman has no chance of beating him? You sad little man. I can understand someone believing that Daredevil would take Batman for a majority (I don't agree with it, but I can understand it) but I don't see how you can say that Daredevil would beat Batman 10/10.
I think he just means for the majority.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only thing that feat proves is that Cass can punch with equal or greater force as a heavy weight boxer (which I don't think anyone ever really doubted), but that isn't an indication of super strength.
I'll grant that one (though I would bet a fair number of people didn't know Cass could hit as hard or harder than a heavy weight boxer), but it's still reasonably impressive.
The Leapord's Blow is a skill feat, not a strength feat... and since it is just a long punch strike with the foreknuckles, durability is a far greater factor than strength even if we completely ignore the skill aspect.
It is a skill feat that requires lots of strength/speed.
I think you severely over estimate the durability of the human body. It doesn't take much to break a bone and Croc is only marginally superhuman.
Class 2ish and semi-bulletproof is still pretty significantly above a human, especially when we're talking someone his size, Croc's bones are likely twice or more as thick as a normal human's. To do those wounds with attacks small enough to go unseen... that's impressive.
The point is, a normal human's durability doesn't help out a ton against Cass and Shiva, it only aids against glancing blows and rolled-with blows since direct hits are dangerous enough that it hardly matters the difference between one human's toughness and the next.
Originally posted by Q99
The point is, a normal human's durability doesn't help out a ton against Cass and Shiva, it only aids against glancing blows and rolled-with blows since direct hits are dangerous enough that it hardly matters the difference between one human's toughness and the next.
Well, to be fair human durability doesn't help out a ton even against people who don't begin to compare to Shiva and Cass. If you get caught by surprise and eat a direct hit from anyone who knows how to throw a punch, you are going to go down. Glancing blows and rolled with punches are what keep streets alive.
Lady Shiva with her record of late is probably the down fall of this team.
Her rep of being the best has been destroyed with never being able to clearly defeat Batman, with losing to Cass twice, and getting owned by Prom in 3 seconds. Batman even beat her a third time.(yeah she was mind controlled but Batman stalemated her twice before so it really doesn't help her case since we don't know the affects and since Bruce stalemated her twice.........yeah its definitely plausible.)
The way I see it Daredevil stalemates Shiva(like Bruce has) While Shang takes out BG. If DD's not done then Shang and DD take out Shiva together.
But something tells me DD takes Shiva out too.