Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Squirrel Girl doesn't have long range attacks and she isn't fast so that means, she can't dodge a lightning.Squirrel Girl and her squirrels need to breathe still, if Storm allows it.
Listen to me....Squirrel Girl defies logic...her creators made it so that she can't lose. There's no point in arguing with me, she's a joke character whose absurdly powerful...because they made her that way.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
clearly you are not up to date on wolverine or read my post. Logan is not a normal human. He not a human at all. He a lupin. Thoses features are quite normal for his race
Originally posted by wannabe
As a matter of fact i AM up to date on Logan, whether you believe it or not.
This whole Romulus-Lupine-Species thing is utter CRAP. It was a bold idea completely not thought trough. I mean:
- wolves evolving into completely primate/human forms?
- wolves becoming genetically undescernable from primates/humans?
- wolves evolving into humanoids actually featuring felinoid characteristics (Sabretooth, Feral, Thorrn)?
But even if it would be considered canon that Logan isn't a human mutant but a lupine one, certain facts remain: His form of claws is not normal for lupines either and they are inflicting harm on him when used, thus making him beta whether considered a human or a lupine mutant.
Yes it is cannon, and the fact you like it or not does not change the fact it is infact what he is.
His mutation it selfs did not causes him harm, the fact when he releases the claws they happen to go through the back of his hand. That does not make him beta. beta are people like marrow who can not controll there ability which forces constant pain. Wolverine has complete control over his claws even with out the aid of his powers.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganFeral and Thorrn do not "turn" into anything and their mutation has always been described as felinoid.
feral and thorn turn into wolves......how is that felinoid in the least?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes it is cannon, and the fact you like it or not does not change the fact it is infact what he is.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
His mutation it selfs did not causes him harm, the fact when he releases the claws they happen to go through the back of his hand. That does not make him beta. beta are people like marrow who can not controll there ability which forces constant pain. Wolverine has complete control over his claws even with out the aid of his powers.
Originally posted by wannabe
Feral and Thorrn do not "turn" into anything and their mutation has always been described as felinoid.
Besides Feral, Thornn and Sabes there is another contradicting character i forgot to mention: Sasquatch, who was also part of that oh-so-clever lupine-race story, isn't lupine at all or even a mutant.
OH - and "it's always the blond versus the black"??? Pleeease, does it go anymore shallow or stupid? 🙄
Originally posted by wannabe
First and foremost, i'm sure you already know some of the following, but i will mention it anyway:
- Being Beta [B]does not mean being less powerful than an Alpha. Both have a comperable power potential. So there is no need to "defend" Wolverine's "awesomeness", since adressing him Beta is no downgrading.
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Originally posted by wannabe
- Being Beta means having slightly nonhuman features and/or minor flaws or control issues coming along with the mutation. Major flaws like those of Marrow relate to the Gamma level.
- Might most of Logan's appearance be normal for lupine if not for human mutants, the form of his claws are not normal for either. His Claws are an anatomical part of his mutation and might he be in control of them, he can obviously not use them without doing himself harm, which surely classifies as a minor flaw.
So - slightly atypical features and a minor flaw to his mutation - sounds pretty Beta to me, even if we're not taking his lack of complete control over his regeneration into account.
Yes the one part that is not normal are his claws. But I not sure thats enough to classify him as a beta. He has complete control of them and then can be easily hiden. They are features of lupins which through mutation evolved into claws (If not for the mutation he have sabre-tooth like claws). Also it also sorta implied that romulas some how caused this to transpire.
Thoses slight atypical features, there norms for his race. His claws a lone are not enough to classify him as a beta. He has shown control over his regeneration. Just becuase it self acting does not mean he can't control it.
also it was pretty much reconnt that feral, thorn and sas are not part of his race (not so much reconnt as ignored) when refferenced later only wolverine , sabre-tooth ect were mention.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I know this and I stated it in this thread. I could careless about his awesomeness. I simply believe he alpha becuase that how he was stated numerous times in AOA, yes I understand it not cannon, but the fact is thats when theses terms really came out and wolverine was always refferenced as an alpha.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes the one part that is not normal are his claws. But I not sure thats enough to classify him as a beta. He has complete control of them and then can be easily hiden. They are features of lupins which through mutation evolved into claws (If not for the mutation he have sabre-tooth like claws). Also it also sorta implied that romulas some how caused this to transpire.Thoses slight atypical features, there norms for his race. His claws a lone are not enough to classify him as a beta.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He has shown control over his regeneration. Just becuase it self acting does not mean he can't control it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
also it was pretty much reconnt that feral, thorn and sas are not part of his race (not so much reconnt as ignored) when refferenced later only wolverine , sabre-tooth ect were mention.
Originally posted by wannabe
I understand where you're comming from, but just like i have to accept the lupine-race story as canon, you have to accept AoA and Apoc's scale as non-canon. Logan might be considered Alpha in AoA, but in 616 the latest canonical classification in existence is an obviously different or more differenciated scale, labeling him as Beta - nothing wrong with that.
Originally posted by wannabe
Also all (stupidly) canonicised mutant and nonmutant lupines have the same kind of claws except Logan and his offspring - it anatomically sets him/them apart, exactly what part of being Beta means in contrast to being Alpha.
Originally posted by wannabe
Unfortunately (in this case) not being mentioned is far from being retconned. But even if Feral, Thorrn, Sasquatch and Sabretooth would be retconned from the lupine-race, it would still be a nonsense idea.
Sabre-tooth was not reconnt, or ignore. His name is for a feline, but his powers are cannine like. He feline in name alone.
idea not bad, it was simply had bad execution. It needed to come forth in order to explain how so many individuals have the same powers and looks as wolverine. However the way they did so was bad. I believe they simply ignoring the whole feral thron sas, thing. Sinces that arc niether as been brought up or even hinted at in romulas plot.
Originally posted by KingD19
Listen to me....Squirrel Girl defies logic...her creators made it so that she can't lose. There's no point in arguing with me, she's a joke character whose absurdly powerful...because they made her that way.
Never was it stated in canon issues that Squirrel Girl defies logic. It's more of describing Storm. Perhaps you want me to post a canon scan stating that Storm can break the laws of nature.
Storm is a googolplex googolplex more powerful than Squirrel Girl
Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Never was it stated in canon issues that Squirrel Girl defies logic. It's more of describing Storm. Perhaps you want me to post a canon scan stating that Storm can break the laws of nature.Storm is a googolplex googolplex more powerful than Squirrel Girl
I don't care what you do, it really doesn't matter to me. But, ask anybody on here...or even do one better and put Storm vs SG in the versus forum...watch how many people vote for Squirrel Girl.
I find it funny though that you're so intent on defending Storm, when I never talked down about her. She's an omega level mutant, and extremely powerful under the right conditions....but she still can't beat Doreen.
Originally posted by KingD19
I don't care what you do, it really doesn't matter to me. But, ask anybody on here...or even do one better and put Storm vs SG in the versus forum...watch how many people vote for Squirrel Girl.I find it funny though that you're so intent on defending Storm, when I never talked down about her. She's an omega level mutant, and extremely powerful under the right conditions....but she still can't beat Doreen.
If you'll think about Squirrel Girl beating Doom was PIS. But I'll just take it since it happened. But please do compare what is Doom to The Trion.
Storm will win against Squirrel Girl
I'm stating facts.",) here's the scan stating Storm will break the laws of nature.
Following her defeat of Dr. Doom, an ongoing joke depicts Squirrel Girl repeatedly attaining victory over various villains, some of whom are considerably more powerful than she is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_girl#Victories
* no one can beat Squirrel Girl in comicdom! 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
Following her defeat of Dr. Doom, an ongoing joke depicts Squirrel Girl repeatedly attaining victory over various villains, some of whom are considerably more powerful than she is.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_girl#Victories
* no one can beat Squirrel Girl in comicdom! 🙂
But then again, those opponents that Squirrel girl has beaten won't win against The Trion which was beaten by Storm.
Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
But then again, those opponents that Squirrel girl has beaten won't win against The Trion which was beaten by Storm.
* dude, Squirrel Girl's victories are both canon and a joke... i hope you realize this... i mean, dude, you're arguing that Storm can beat Squirrel Girl? you're practically raining on the parade... 🙄 another thing, do you think it would benefit Storm if she defeated Squirrel Girl? 🙄 do you think it is a huge accomplishment to beat Squirrel Girl? dude, don't take Squirrel Girl too seriously... she's the Squirrel Girl who defeated this embarrassing list:
Doctor Doom,
Mandarin,
Giganto,
MODOK,
Thanos,
Terrax,
Bug-Eyed Voice,
Bi-Beast,
Deadpool,
Pluto,
Fin Fang Foom,
Baron Mordo,
Korvac,
Ego the Living Planet
* hope you got my point... 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* dude, Squirrel Girl's victories are both canon and [b]a joke... i hope you realize this... i mean, dude, you're arguing that Storm can beat Squirrel Girl? you're practically raining on the parade... 🙄 another thing, do you think it would benefit Storm if she defeated Squirrel Girl? 🙄 do you think it is a huge accomplishment to beat Squirrel Girl? dude, don't take Squirrel Girl too seriously... she's the Squirrel Girl who defeated this embarrassing list:Doctor Doom,
Mandarin,
Giganto,
MODOK,
Thanos,
Terrax,
Bug-Eyed Voice,
Bi-Beast,
Deadpool,
Pluto,
Fin Fang Foom,
Baron Mordo,
Korvac,
Ego the Living Planet* hope you got my point... 🙂 [/B]
Tell me how the fight went and why did Squirrel Girl win.
My point is, Squirrel Girl will not win against Storm.
Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Tell me how the fight went and why did Squirrel Girl win.My point is, Squirrel Girl will not win against Storm.
* i'm just telling you to ride on with the Squirrel Girl joke... simply because Squirrel Girl's victories are both canon and a joke... please read her profile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_girl
* now, after you read that, tell me how can Storm beat someone who beat Ego or Thanos, with only this as her powerset: squirrel-like abilities, superhuman agility, retractable claws, ability to communicate with squirrels? 😛
* it's a joke, ok? 😉