who are level omega mutants and is wolverine considerd one

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the ninjak FRINGE Division

She's like Chuck Norris.

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Only dumber.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm just telling you to ride on with the Squirrel Girl joke... simply because Squirrel Girl's victories are both canon and a joke... please read her profile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_girl

* now, after you read that, tell me how can Storm beat someone who beat Ego or Thanos, with only this as her powerset: squirrel-like abilities, superhuman agility, retractable claws, ability to communicate with squirrels? 😛

* it's a joke, ok? 😉

Wrong!

"For the most part, she defeats her opponents through the use of her wits."

She's the Batman of Marvel, simple as that.

the ninjak FRINGE Division

It's true she does use the tools at her disposal tactfully to defeat her opponents.

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

Yeah, Tippy Toe wrecked MODOK's chair from the inside.

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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Sabre-tooth was not reconnt, or ignore. His name is for a feline, but his powers are cannine like. He feline in name alone.

Actually Sabe's appearance doesn't give a definitive hint whether he's lupine or feline, neither do his powers, which would roughly fit both.
Taking into account, that the main weapon of the canidae are fangs and their claws are comparatively blunt, whereas felidae use fangs as well as extremly sharp claws and feature a higher muscle efficiency, Sabes is (was, before that Romulus-arc) more likely feline than canine ... in traits as well as name.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
idea not bad, it was simply had bad execution. It needed to come forth in order to explain how so many individuals have the same powers and looks as wolverine. However the way they did so was bad. I believe they simply ignoring the whole feral thron sas, thing. Sinces that arc niether as been brought up or even hinted at in romulas plot.

Why would one have to explain how so many feral mutants exist with an entire new species? Have you ever counted how many mutant telepaths there are or telekinetics or pyrokinetics or superstrong or energy projectors? Would it be a good idea to create a seperate species for each of those mutant groups too? The more individuals a species features, the more likely it is, that some of them have similar characteristics. Actually that's the essential part of evolution: the more successful a trait is, the more often it can be found in a species.
Lupine-species = stupid idea and moronic execution! 🙁

peejayd Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong!

"For the most part, she defeats her opponents through the use of her wits."

She's the Batman of Marvel, simple as that.

* a funny female Batman, that is... 😛

Originally posted by wannabe
Actually Sabe's appearance doesn't give a definitive hint whether he's lupine or feline, neither do his powers, which would roughly fit both.
Taking into account, that the main weapon of the canidae are fangs and their claws are comparatively blunt, whereas felidae use fangs as well as extremly sharp claws and feature a higher muscle efficiency, Sabes is ([b]was, before that Romulus-arc) more likely feline than canine ... in traits as well as name.[/B]

* i also read in Wiki:

Dominant Species/Lupine

Maximus Lobo claimed to be a part of a mutant sub-species of feral, wolf-like mutants, whom he called The Dominant Species. He later tried to recruit Wolf Cub into his ranks, to no avail. A few years later, another mutant, Romulus claimed that some human mutants evolved from canines instead of primates. Mutants who were a part of this group were Romulus, Wolverine, Daken, Sabretooth, Wolfsbane, Wild Child, Thornn, and Sasquatch. Other likely candidates being X-23 and The Native. These groups appear to be one and the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(Marvel_Comics)

* is this another retcon in the intended origins of the mutants involved? 😕

The Big O The Original O

i thought that we shouldnt use wiki as a reference due to the fact that anyone can put anything on their and change other peoples stuff.

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

Wiki's an excellent reference....because it's easy to tell what people made up, because it's usually stupid.

peejayd Senior Member

😆 well, i just felt the need to ask about this stuff to some of our comic gurus here... i'm not updated on comics nowadays... 😛

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Originally posted by peejayd
Dominant Species/Lupine

Maximus Lobo claimed to be a part of a mutant sub-species of feral, wolf-like mutants, whom he called The Dominant Species. He later tried to recruit Wolf Cub into his ranks, to no avail. A few years later, another mutant, Romulus claimed that some human mutants evolved from canines instead of primates. Mutants who were a part of this group were [b]Romulus, Wolverine, Daken, Sabretooth, Wolfsbane, Wild Child, Thornn, and Sasquatch. Other likely candidates being X-23 and The Native. These groups appear to be one and the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(Marvel_Comics)

* is this another retcon in the intended origins of the mutants involved? 😕 [/B]


Sadly it is.
Some idiot of an author thought:
"Oh, look, there are numerous super-humans with more hair than usual and claws, fangs and animal-like senses. Let's make them a whole species of their own, that evolved from wolves parallel to humanity and its mutants.
Some of them may not be mutants or their features are rather feline, not to speak of the (un)likelyhood of lupines evolving into the exact shape of humanoid primates, but those nerdy readers will not notice anyway.
Oh, and to top it all, let's create a reeeaaaly cool traditional rivalry between a blond and a black haired one of this new species in order to partially explain the animosities between Logan and Creed."
😘 😠 🙄

jalek moye Ti Lun

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Who says Storm can't when The Trion is more powerful than a full-powered Galactus.

Wait you seriosuly think that Storm can beat normal galactus? let alone "full powered"

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by wannabe
Sadly it is.

* the classification is unnecessary... maybe in the near future, they will retcon this retcon and will explain that this classification is only Maximus Lobo's interpretation... i don't know...

Originally posted by jalek moye
Wait you seriosuly think that Storm can beat normal galactus? let alone "full powered"

* how much more if Squirrel Girl is the one who's "full-powered"? 😛

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by peejayd
* the classification is unnecessary... maybe in the near future, they will retcon [b]this retcon and will explain that this classification is only Maximus Lobo's interpretation... i don't know...
[/B]

i already pm this Lobo is men arnt true mutants, I not even sure Lobo himself is. Lobo was talking about a race of engineered men. They arnt typical mutants. They were made that way.

It also has zero thing to do with wolverine lupin thing.

also they will not reconnt the wolverine lupin, thing it be impossible to do it now. They had exstansive plots around the entire concept and romulas. It also explains wolverines entire history and his true relationship with professor x (which I really enjoyed)

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member
Originally posted by wannabe
Actually Sabe's appearance doesn't give a definitive hint whether he's lupine or feline, neither do his powers, which would roughly fit both.
Taking into account, that the main weapon of the canidae are fangs and their claws are comparatively blunt, whereas felidae use fangs as well as extremly sharp claws and feature a higher muscle efficiency, Sabes is ([b]was, before that Romulus-arc) more likely feline than canine ... in traits as well as name.
[/B]

Asside from his original design when he was a IF villain, sabre-tooth was never intented to be feline at all. In fact we know this to be true, becuase back during both characters developement, sabre-tooth was suposes to be wolverine father, but that idea was scratch. Wolverine was never even hinted to be feline. He was original suposes to be evolved from a wolverine, but that also was scratched. Wolverine has always been compared to either wolverines or wolves ) mostly wolves in characteristics. He never onces been compared to any type of feline.

yes before you say it I know wolverines are weasals.

Originally posted by wannabe
Why would one have to explain how so many feral mutants exist with an entire new species? Have you ever counted how many mutant telepaths there are or telekinetics or pyrokinetics or superstrong or energy projectors? Would it be a good idea to create a seperate species for each of those mutant groups too? The more individuals a species features, the more likely it is, that some of them have similar characteristics. Actually that's [b]the essential part of evolution: the more successful a trait is, the more often it can be found in a species.
Lupine-species = stupid idea and moronic execution! 🙁 [/B]

Because wolverine from his earliest incarnation was never the same as other mutants (x-men). This has been hinted at numerous times over the years, that he infact is not like vast majority of mutants, but he was also not human. Also telepaths don't share the same physical characteristic or all have same interwining pasts. I really don't think the idea was that bad at all especially considering wolverines entire history. The way they went about it was stupid, however wolverines origins story made vastly more senses and gives you the reasoning behind it all.

also think the whole feral, thorn and sas part was retarded and glad it was completely ignored and never brought up again. Loeb exicution was god awful, origins did a much better job.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

If that came off rude, it was not ment to be. I am a little tired and out of it, so please do not take offenses if it does.

also I completely agree that loeb an idiot and the blonde vs black idea was idiotic.

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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Asside from his original design when he was a IF villain, sabre-tooth was never intented to be feline at all. In fact we know this to be true, becuase back during both characters developement, sabre-tooth was suposes to be wolverine father, but that idea was scratch. Wolverine was never even hinted to be feline. He was original suposes to be evolved from a wolverine, but that also was scratched. Wolverine has always been compared to either wolverines or wolves ) mostly wolves in characteristics. He never onces been compared to any type of feline.

yes before you say it I know wolverines are weasals.


😄
I only mean, that Sabe's characteristics are almost as inconclusive as Logan's or Wildchild's. All three could come from many different animal families. But if there is a tendency, then Creed is more feline than canine due to what i earlier said. His choice of name only supports that.
Since neither Logan nor Victor were created with the intention to represent a specifically lupine mutant species, since they don't feature any specifically lupine characteristics AND since the human mutants, to which they initially belonged, do not have a doktrine of exact bequeathal of a mutation, it is false logic to reason Sabes has to be lupine because 'he was initially supposed to be the father of a supposed' to be wolverine-like mutant. Actually, if one uses the original intentions and views on mutants at the character's time of creation for argumentation, it would be more logical to assume, that since Logan was supposed to be wolverine-like and given the name Wolverine, Creed was given the name Sabretooth because he was supposed to be sabre-toothed-cat-like.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because wolverine from his earliest incarnation was never the same as other mutants (x-men). This has been hinted at numerous times over the years, that he infact is not like vast majority of mutants, but he was also not human.

Wolverine was never the same as other mutants in character and history NOT biologically. Until the Romulus-arc his mutation was just as "normal" as any other mutant's.
Besides, IF the pure idea of a lupine race would not be stupid, because it would explain the multitude of feral mutants AND this particular group of mutants would justify a seperate species in contrast to other groups of mutants, because Logan has always been different, THEN all other feral mutants would have to be exactly that different too ... which they have never been discribed as.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also telepaths don't share the same physical characteristic or all have same interwining pasts.

1. All telepaths obviously share the same neurobiological traits. Just because these are anatomical/biochemical/physiological instead of morphological, doesn't mean they are less physical. Actually their power resemblance is more striking than that of the ferals.
2. An intervining past on the ferals' side is only shared by Sabes and Logan and would not make the ad hoc creation of an entire lupine species any more logical.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
If that came off rude, it was not ment to be. I am a little tired and out of it, so please do not take offenses if it does.

Not at all! Actually it is/was rather fun to debate this issue with you, since you are NOT comming off rude or overly emotional. 😉

RLAAMJR. Ororo Munroe's Boyfriend

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm just telling you to ride on with the Squirrel Girl joke... simply because Squirrel Girl's victories are both canon and a joke... please read her profile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_girl

* now, after you read that, tell me how can Storm beat someone who beat Ego or Thanos, with only this as her powerset: squirrel-like abilities, superhuman agility, retractable claws, ability to communicate with squirrels? 😛

* it's a joke, ok? 😉

Squirrel Girl cannot beat The Trion.

and Squirrel girl cannot beat Storm. That's for sure.

jalek moye Ti Lun

You also think Storm can beat anyone so not surprising you say that and constantly bring up the Trion.

peejayd Senior Member

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Squirrel Girl cannot beat The Trion.

and Squirrel girl cannot beat Storm. That's for sure.

* <sigh> you just don't get it... i give up... facepalm