team gravity VS WM Thor w/PG

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not sure. It's possible I guess, but that plan seems overly complicated. This team is compromised of four individuals I don't think have ever meet before or at the very least have never fought on the same side.

I predict they'd be stumbling over each other for a lot of the fight. Especially since Graviton and Moonstone are about as stable as loony toons.

Ok let me see here. I don't have the book in front of me yet, but I can pretty much recall the whole scene. If I miss anything of importance I'm sure you'll point it out.

Nova breaks out of the programing.

WM informs him that it's taking 80% of the Nova Force to keep the virus at bay. We have to flee.

Rich says "so I'm only operating at a fraction of my normal power" or something like that.

WM tells him that's right barely 20% our only option is to flee.

Rich says I'm no match for one sentry at this level

WM says "Right. I repeat, WE HAVE TO FLEE".

Nova -finally gets it- says last time I tried that I got phucked up

WM says We were ignorant last time. Now I have a plan (or something to that effect)

So right there we see from the context that although NOVA mentions fighting, that was NEVER apart of WM plan. WM had been plotting an escape plan all along that required every ounce of Dick's remaining power reserves.

They then stargate to the Neutron star. Banter a little, WM explains that because of the stars crazy gravity/mass, with the right calculations etc, that Richard could manipulate it and cause a wormhole event allowing them to escape Kree space.

Now we know that Richard has created super massive gravimetric events before during Annihilation. It was so massive that Annihilus detected it from like 9 light years away. We also know that they kept the emphasis on how weak Nova was at the time and that the only option was to flee, not fight. So with that knowledge coupled with the annihilation stuff, the only rational explanation that makes sense is that he was too weak to make one powerful enough to escape, so he used something that was.

Comic book writers can't spell out every phucking detail of every action sequence for us. Sometimes we have to apply a little common sense.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But it does make you think that,with all that power of gravity at their disposale,what are they really capabale of?I mean could they just make it so heavy that they make a black hole for the BFR?

CIS on I think the team stomps. CIS off I think Thor takes it, after a brutal battle. As someone said, if Thor was just pissed and had thd PG, it'd be better for Thor.

With CIS on, I see them eventually using superior numbers and intelligence to defeat Thor. That is, if they can work together, as with CIS on, they'd hinder their own team work. I don't know about a stomp however. I don't see them beating him in a contest of power vs. power.

The problem with Warrior Madness is that the depiction isn't always consistent. He isn't some mindless beast all the time. His been depicted as just really pissed off and ready to kill. His been shown using other powers while being in Warrior Madness or in a state similar to one. Mind you, I don't think he'd be manipulating gravity as well or creating some mystical vortexes but if he really can think with some intelligence, this would be a fair bit harder than fighting a Hulk with the Power Gem.

If they work fast and together, the team can take this fairly easy using a strategy similar to the one Black Bolt suggested. Like I said, he doesn't amp by leaps and bounds just by placing the Gem on his fore head and outside of some raw energy -probably unleashed when they take to the air- his just a brick.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But it does make you think that,with all that power of gravity at their disposale,what are they really capabale of?I mean could they just make it so heavy that they make a black hole for the BFR?

Probably a lot. Nah, I don't see it happening. Not with Mjolnir's space warping enchantment. I honestly can't recall any single time Mjolnir has been battle field removed. Trapped yes.

Originally posted by dmills
Read the whole book. I'm not a phucking school teacher. jk. We'll have to continue this tomorrow. Gotta drive now. Phoenix to L.A. Working for Greyhound and all.

I have. Where exactly is it clearly emphasized?

Originally posted by dmills
Ok let me see here. I don't have the book in front of me yet, but I can pretty much recall the whole scene. If I miss anything of importance I'm sure you'll point it out.

Nova breaks out of the programing.

WM informs him that it's taking 80% of the Nova Force to keep the virus at bay. We have to flee.

Rich says "so I'm only operating at a fraction of my normal power" or something like that.

WM tells him that's right barely 20% our only option is to flee.

Rich says I'm no match for one sentry at this level

WM says "Right. I repeat, WE HAVE TO FLEE".

Nova -finally gets it- says last time I tried that I got phucked up

WM says We were ignorant last time. Now I have a plan (or something to that effect)

So right there we see from the context that although NOVA mentions fighting, that was NEVER apart of WM plan. WM had been plotting an escape plan all along that required every ounce of Dick's remaining power reserves.

They then stargate to the Neutron star. Banter a little, WM explains that because of the stars crazy gravity/mass, with the right calculations etc, that Richard could manipulate it and cause a wormhole event allowing them to escape Kree space.

Now we know that Richard has created super massive gravimetric events before during Annihilation. It was so massive that Annihilus detected it from like 9 light years away. We also know that they kept the emphasis on how weak Nova was at the time and that the only option was to flee, not fight. So with that knowledge coupled with the annihilation stuff, the only rational explanation that makes sense is that he was too weak to make one powerful enough to escape, so he used something that was.

Comic book writers can't spell out every phucking detail of every action sequence for us. Sometimes we have to apply a little common sense.

Yea...you need to take the Nova shades off.

Nowhere was it clearly emphasized that he needed the Neutron Star because he couldn't create one of his own. The only thing emphasized when it came to his power level was that he was weakened and he'd get his ass kicked if he tried to fight their enemies head on.

Your doing some serious mental gymnastics here in an attempt to see something that's not there.

Mental gymnastics to what end exactly? Nothing about it makes Nova look any better or worse. You brought the shit up, I gave you an answer. If you want to ignore the context, that's a you problem.

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It's fine. There wasn't anything even insulting in your post.

Why did Nova use a Neutron Star? Because he needed to get out of Kree Space, and using the Neutron Star to create a Gravimetric anomaly was the only way to get through the barrier.

It was never emphasized that he could created such an anomaly on his own had he been at full power in #7.

Originally posted by dmills
Mental gymnastics to what end exactly? Nothing about it makes Nova look any better or worse. You brought the shit up, I gave you an answer. If you want to ignore the context, that's a you problem.

To what end? Really? I thought that was pretty clear. To make Nova look more impressive power wise. You can't seriously deny that this wasn't your intention.

Not really. If it was emphasized that Nova could have created such an anomaly on his own, he'd definitely look better.

What do you mean I brought it up? Be specific and keep in mind that it was you first mentioned this feat in this thread. It was you who first brought up the topic of emphasis.

I could flip it and say where was it emphasized that he COULDN'T open up one under his own power if he was at full strength? Without the context, any silly interpretation is suitable.

If he did that, then the whole emphasis on his weakness would be redundant. If he had the power to open up a gate that potent why not just beat the shyte out of Drax and Gamora?

BBZ asked what he was capable of in terms of gravity, I answered. You apparently disagreed on if it was applicable in this battle or not, I was merely giving Z an example.

I'll holler at you later. I haven't made it home yet and the 200 character limit on my phone is driving me phucking nuts. I'll take a look at Nova #7 then.

Originally posted by dmills
I could flip it and say where was it emphasized that he COULDN'T open up one under his own power if he was at full strength. Without looking at context, one is free to draw just about any conclusion.

baka

You aren't being serious are you? Not only is that akin to asking me to prove a negative, it would inevitably lead to some hilariously faulty arguments.

You claimed that it was clearly emphasized that Nova could create those Gravimetric forces on his own had he been at full power. This was not shown anywhere.

Like I said before, World Mind's conversation with Richard's would lead us to believe that said feat had more to do with Richard possessing the correct type of power and less to do with him possessing the right amount of power.

Are you trying to insinuate that I'm ignoring context? If so, would you care to point out what exactly I'm missing?

Originally posted by dmills
If he did that, then the whole emphasis on his weakness would be redundant. If he had the power to open up a gate that potent why not just beat the shyte out of Drax and Gamora?

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What's exactly is your point here?

He didn't create the anomaly himself because he couldn't - at least that's what logic dictates. He got the shit beat out of him by Gamora and Drax because he was significantly weakened. He was only at around 20%. Which further supports my stance that the Neutron Star feat had more to do with his power set and less to do with his level of power.

So an argument from silence is better? Cause that's kinda what you're doing here.

😬 Where are you getting this whole right type vs right amount argument from? Where is that at?

Which is erroneous because he already has on panel.

When? Not that it would matter. I'm debating your claim regarding #7.

Originally posted by dmills
So an argument from silence is better? Cause that's kinda what you're doing here.

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An argument from silence? Ignoring the potential stupidity of that statement -your faulting me for debating that it wasn't hinted that Nova could create an anomaly on that level because....it wasn't...- do you not understand what my stance is and how this argument started?

You initially claimed that it was clearly emphasized Nova could create that anomaly etc. had he been at full power:

Originally posted by dmills
I mean It was clearly emphasized that he was weak and thus couldn't make one on his own to escape the barrier around Kree space, so they improvised.

I disputed that claim. My stance is that said issue -Nova #7- never once emphasized that which you claimed:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where? When they reached the Star, and World Mind explained his plan, Richard's waning level of power wasn't even mentioned. Nowhere was it emphasized that he needed the Neutron Star because he couldn't make one of his own.

The only thing emphasized regarding his power level was that he couldn't stand and fight their enemies. Even Gamora and Drax had him on the ropes in moments with some generic guns.

Your seeing something that's not there. Your might as well be projecting.

Originally posted by dmills
😬 Where are you getting this whole right type vs right amount argument from? Where is that at?

Approaching Quanchi level. You clearly acknowledged where this was coming from in the last page. Now your clueless?

Nova and World Mind's conversation leads me to believe that Nova was able to do what he did mostly due to the fact that he can manipulate gravity. I.e. it had more to do with the type of power he possessed and not the level of power he was at. Nova being so weakened he couldn't take one Kree Sentinel and was beaten down by Drax and Gamora, doesn't hurt this stance either.

Quanchi levels? (what happened to him anyway?) Never that. Not even close. Nice ad hominem though. As I said we'll deal with this further when I get in front of a real computer.

Originally posted by dmills
Quanchi levels? (what happened to him anyway?) Never that. Not even close. Nice ad hominem though. As I said we'll deal with this further when I get in front of a real computer.

Okay, not Quanchi levels but my point stands. You knew where I was coming from previously. Acting clueless is something I would expect from someone prone to using self serving logic or arguments.

Lulz at pulling the Ad Hominem card though. If I call you stupid, idiotic, Quanchi, and so on, I'm not trying to do so in an attempt to invalidate your argument. At that point, your own replies would be doing more than I ever could. Whenever I do choose to insult someone, it's not out of some necessity, but because I want or simply feel like it.

Take your time. Don't respond. Doesn't matter. What we're discussing isn't even relevant to this thread.

Don't know what happened to Quannybun.