Cross Genre Match #12: Rock Lee vs Karate Kid

Well, in the case of the Mon El feat I posted, he bullrushed at a rate of speed sufficient enough for Val to judo toss him several hundreds of thousands of miles away in a manner of seconds. Someone else can do the math on that for an exact velocity (since it wasn't explicitly stated).

I have a pretty good knowledge of Karate Kid due to researching him in order to use him in a tournament a few years back. The claims in regards to him are in fact all legit, if, admittedly, hard to believe (which is why he was a good choice for the tourney; his feats are based on skill rather than actual superpowers). Considering what he's done on panel, and accounting for the fact he's supposed to just be a base human, it's hard to reconcile it, but it's canon and legit.

It didn't look like superman went FTL though.

Again, Lee's not even top-tier IN HIS OWN UNIVERSE. The list of characters in Naruto that would slap him down like an angry child alone is in the double digits, let alone verses like One Piece, YuYu Hakusho, or Hokuto no Ken.

There are other feats where he's deflected objects travelling at C besides his fights with Mon El or Superboy. I'll see if I can get the scans when I get off from work.

Also, KK has owned skilled martial artists as well, not simply bricks with superspeed. In more recent times (post the 3Boot) I'm not sure if he's the same character he was before as I'm not clear on LOS's current continuity. If his total resumé is in use there are a lot of feats against skilled opposition, though in the DC Verse, fighting powerful metas and aliens is more the norm than fighting highly skilled martial arts practicioners, as opposed to martial arts themed and based Anime universes that focus vastly on those facets.

I think Kenshiro has a legitimate shot at beating Val, personally.

Originally posted by carver9
Prove that they are light speed.

Seriously?

If this dont prove to you that he is a top tier martial artist then something is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjybB4oBcdY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=9ZvBEosF6O4&annotation_id=annotation_553206

Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, KK has owned skilled martial artists as well, not simply bricks with superspeed.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, in the case of the Mon El feat I posted, he bullrushed at a rate of speed sufficient enough for Val to judo toss him several hundreds of thousands of miles away in a manner of seconds. Someone else can do the math on that for an exact velocity (since it wasn't explicitly stated).

I have a pretty good knowledge of Karate Kid due to researching him in order to use him in a tournament a few years back. The claims in regards to him are in fact all legit, if, admittedly, hard to believe (which is why he was a good choice for the tourney; his feats are based on skill rather than actual superpowers). Considering what he's done on panel, and accounting for the fact he's supposed to just be a base human, it's hard to reconcile it, but it's canon and legit.

You see that love tap that KK gave Val, THATS what sent him flying away so fast, it wasnt the blitz. KK made him go at that distance by either hitting a nerve or something, I dont know what it was that he did but that bullrush (Bullrush?) wasnt at the speed of light... not even close. You cant see light and Monel was completely visible to the necked eye.

Originally posted by illadelph12
There are other feats where he's deflected objects travelling at C besides his fights with Mon El or Superboy. I'll see if I can get the scans when I get off from work.

Also, KK has owned skilled martial artists as well, not simply bricks with superspeed. In more recent times (post the 3Boot) I'm not sure if he's the same character he was before as I'm not clear on LOS's current continuity. If his total resumé is in use there are a lot of feats against skilled opposition, though in the DC Verse, fighting powerful metas and aliens is more the norm than fighting highly skilled martial arts practicioners, as opposed to martial arts themed and based Anime universes that focus vastly on those facets.

Show us these scans and prove that they are going half the speed of ligth.

You cant say that KK is fightins someone that fights at light speed when you really dont even have proof besides space flight that these character themselves can combat at the speed of light.

Fighting Metas? EVERY street level character has that under their belts. Again, show some speed feats, strength feats, durability feats instead of showing who they fought.

Carver can't you learn to consolidate multiple replies into single posts rather than double or triple posting all the time?

Originally posted by Kal-El Summers
Again, Lee's not even top-tier IN HIS OWN UNIVERSE. The list of characters in Naruto that would slap him down like an angry child alone is in the double digits, let alone verses like One Piece, YuYu Hakusho, or Hokuto no Ken.

😕

WTF... they can slap him down because they are more powerful, not because they are more skilled. 😕

Take away their powers on both sides and Rock Lee would DESTROY them. Just because Rock Lee cant beat everyone in his universe does not mean he isnt top tier martial artist.

Batman cant beat everyone in his universe but he is top tier... Black Panther cant beat everyone in his universe but he is top tier. Wolverine cant beat everyone in his universe but he is top tier... Hope you get my point.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Carver can't you learn to consolidate multiple replies into single posts rather than double or triple posting all the time?

I dont know how to do it. 🙁

A love tap sent him to a red star?

Gonna laugh at the visible thing. You actually can see light. That's how come we get colors and vision and stuff. You can't see faster than light, but there are comic characters that can do that anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
If this dont prove to you that he is a top tier martial artist then something is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjybB4oBcdY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=9ZvBEosF6O4&annotation_id=annotation_553206

Not a top tier MA. Shikamaru wouldn't have touched KK, Akuma, Kenshiro, Raoh, Toki, Ryu etc.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont know how to do it. 🙁

"Rock Lee isn't a top tier martial artist in his own universe"... this may quite possibly be the single dumbest thing anyone on KMC has ever written in regard to a character's skill. Rock Lee would annihilate damn near everyone in the Naruto-verse in h2h if you make all things equal and take away the other peoples special abilities (kekkei genkai, genjustu, ninjustu, etc).

Again, show me KK fighting anyone who is both a martial artist and has meta-powers like Lee.

Originally posted by marwash22
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Again, show me KK fighting anyone who is both a martial artist and has meta-powers like Lee.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This idea that Lee's low end superspeed and (at best) Spider-Man level strength combined with MA skill is somehow more daunting a challenge than a PC Kryptonian/Daxamite's powerset is just beyond retarded.

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Example... I'm faster and stronger than you could ever hope to be. You're a better fighter than i could ever hope to be; I charge at you in a straight line... what do you think will be the outcome?

KK fought rookie Kryptonian/Daxamites?