Originally posted by Omega Vision
In the scan where Mon-El gets redirected he's clearly moving so fast that one second he's charging KK and the next he's been shunted into another star system with a red sun. Clearly Mon-El was traveling at or above light speed.
If you looked at the scan you'll see that KK hit him with a nerve tap which made him go that distance. He didnt even know where he was (monel). The blitz wasnt light speed but after the blitz, when he hit space, that was light speed.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Karate kid has better feats of striking and better speed feats. The point blank lightning dodge puts him well above rock lee.
So if I put up Wolverine dodging lightning, would you say that he is>>>Rock Lee? How about this, if I put up Wolverine dodging Cyclops optic blast at point blank TWICE, would you say the same things?
Show me some speed feats please.
Originally posted by carver9
If you looked at the scan you'll see that KK hit him with a nerve tap which made him go that distance. He didnt even know where he was (monel). The blitz wasnt light speed but after the blitz, when he hit space, that was light speed.
Originally posted by carver9
If you looked at the scan you'll see that KK hit him with a nerve tap which made him go that distance. He didnt even know where he was (monel). The blitz wasnt light speed but after the blitz, when he hit space, that was light speed.
He's not using a pressure point. KK has the flat of his hand on Mon-el's neck changing his direction. Also there's no text stating a pressure point is being used, you have no evidence for your assertion.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Are you still trying to insist that Rock lee is more dangerous than a Pre-crisis Kryptonian?
In a fight against KK, he sure is more dangerous. Monel is a BRICK... KK TOLD Monel that he rely too much on his powers and thats his downfall. Then you have KK fighting people like Batman along with other Martial Artist that performs MUCH better than Monel.
Batman recently told Superman in Superman/Batman story that his brute strength was always his weakness and flipped a blitzing Superman off of an edge.
Wolverine even stated that even though these street level characters does not have powers of flight, shooting blast, etc... they are the most dangerous beings on the planet due to their martial arts skill because they have to find ways of surviving when fighting super powered beings (this was said during the time he was mind controlled by the hand fighting daredevil).
This has been proven with Cap fighting Thor... this has been proven with Wolverine fighting Mimic... all of this is pretty much common sense.
Originally posted by carver9👆 No one seems to get this.
In a fight against KK, he sure is more dangerous. Monel is a BRICK... KK TOLD Monel that he rely too much on his powers and thats his downfall. Then you have KK fighting people like Batman along with other Martial Artist that performs MUCH better than Monel.Batman recently told Superman in Superman/Batman story that his brute strength was always his weakness and flipped a blitzing Superman off of an edge.
Wolverine even stated that even though these street level characters does not have powers of flight, shooting blast, etc... they are the most dangerous beings on the planet due to their martial arts skill because they have to find ways of surviving when fighting super powered beings (this was said during the time he was mind controlled by the hand fighting daredevil).
This has been proven with Cap fighting Thor... this has been proven with Wolverine fighting Mimic... all of this is pretty much common sense.
Also, I have yet to see those scans of KK beating someone who is both a martial artist and has meta-powers.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
He's not using a pressure point. KK has the flat of his hand on Mon-el's neck changing his direction. Also there's no text stating a pressure point is being used, you have no evidence for your assertion.
Why dont I? We clearly see him tapping him on the neck... Monel comes to realization and wondering where the hell he is at. Monel is either retarded and isnt experienced at flying or he was either unconcious while he was flying, etc...
Look at the scan... "Where am I? How did I get here? 😕
Originally posted by marwash22
like who?
Off the top of my head I can only think of Master Hand and Black Dragon. I'll have to check the archives to get more examples.
Also it must be taken into consideration that while the vast majority of Karate Kid's opponents may not be martial arts practitioners themselves (he operates in a Western styled superhero universe where martial arts are not the basis of all abilities), his opposition operates at a power level which would make martial skills anywhere below the pinnacle of skill futile. Karate Kid is so skilled it more or less counted as a superpower given what he was able to accomplish via "skill".
I'll see if I can find the scans when I get home from work.
Originally posted by carver9
Why dont I? We clearly see him tapping him on the neck... Monel comes to realization and wondering where the hell he is at. Monel is either retarded and isnt experienced at flying or he was either unconcious while he was flying, etc...Look at the scan... "Where am I? How did I get here? 😕
KK redirected Mon El's own momentum. It wasn't a nerve strike. He used Mon El's own force to toss him to another solar system in a couple seconds.
*edit
And the recent Batman fiasco was due to Val being amnesiac, brainwashed, and terminally ill with a super virus which eventually killed him.
Originally posted by carver9
Why dont I? We clearly see him tapping him on the neck... Monel comes to realization and wondering where the hell he is at. Monel is either retarded and isnt experienced at flying or he was either unconcious while he was flying, etc...Look at the scan... "Where am I? How did I get here? 😕
So wait you think Mon-El is powerful enough to knock out a Daxamite but he's less deadly than Rock lee? Pressure points aren't off switches, they still require force.
And they vary in effectiveness depending on the person. One in twenty people are unaffected strikes to them.
I think this tactic of trying to frame the argument in the vein of only combat feats against fellow martial artists is a good ploy on the Rock Lee side.
I still don't think Lee wins based off of the evidence provided in his favor thus far, but at least it's redirecting the efforts of the Karate Kid camp.
Originally posted by marwash22
👆 No one seems to get this.Also, I have yet to see those scans of KK beating someone who is both a martial artist and has meta-powers.
👆 I have yet to see what makes rock-lee a top tier martial artist, and super sonic speed feats
I'm still going to keep pointing out that if Rock Lee decides to open all his chakra gates, he doesn't last long. Only Seconds
So KK has only seconds to dodge Rock lee before he becomes defenseless
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skip to 7:40. Rock Lee can barley move or do anything because he wasted all his strength on that double edge bladed taijutsu
Please don't ignore one of Rock lees weakness. This is one of the reasons that makes him so cool to me...
And admit rock lee is a pretty low tier Narutoverse character. Even I know he won't last long on a tournament between all the characters...
Originally posted by illadelph12
Off the top of my head I can only think of Master Hand and Black Dragon. I'll have to check the archives to get more examples.Also it must be taken into consideration that while the vast majority of Karate Kid's opponents may not be martial arts practitioners themselves (he operates in a Western styled superhero universe where martial arts are not the basis of all abilities), his opposition operates at a power level which would make martial skills anywhere below the pinnacle of skill futile. Karate Kid is so skilled it more or less counted as a superpower given what he was able to accomplish via "skill".
I'll see if I can find the scans when I get home from work.
I agree with this but you also have to look at it at the stance that even though KK has fought super humans and did well against them, when he fighting someone with skill they are more challenging than the super powered beings that he was fighting. Again, what you are saying can be used for EVERY street level character, not just KK but the thing is, when they fight someone with skill... that is when the challenge start.
Example... Wolverine has fought almost every super human in Marvel and actually have good showings against the best but when he fight people like Cap, thats when he tends to struggle more.
Originally posted by illadelph12
KK redirected Mon El's own momentum. It wasn't a nerve strike. He used Mon El's own force to toss him to another solar system in a couple seconds.*edit
And the recent Batman fiasco was due to Val being amnesiac, brainwashed, and terminally ill with a super virus which eventually killed him.
I dont think that was the only time they fought and look at his fight with Equus... Equus almost killed him in the second encounter.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So wait you think Mon-El is powerful enough to knock out a Daxamite but he's less deadly than Rock lee? Pressure points aren't off switches, they still require force.And they vary in effectiveness depending on the person. One in twenty people are unaffected strikes to them.
The way Monel was fighting in those scans... YES, Rock Lee is more dangerous. Read the scans and look at what KK tells him... your powers is your downfall... which means "monel rely too much on his power and lack the skill to use it" and he does lack skill.