Universal Majestic Vs Thor

Originally posted by Cubey
Well, I'm not sure how he could keep them, when you can only have them if you're a High Lord, which he no longer is.

Dunno. I thought he had gotten over being one, but apparently he kept the upgrade.

Originally posted by Cubey
Have any of the enchanted blades that have clashed with Mjolnir been forged from a universe busting gear? Because that's what the Creation Engine is.

I can't think of anything. But Mjolnir has faced forces that are Universal in scale. This is a decent example:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg

The energy generated by that attack was going to be used by Zarrako to collapse an infinite number of time lines into one:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CollapseTimelines1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CollapseTimelines2.jpg

Thor himself has tapped into a reactor powerful enough to nullify the entire Universe, attempting to control the energy. He didn't last long before the stress forced him to let go of the forces, but still a neat showing.

Originally posted by Cubey
Well, he created a sun during the Big Chill. By the end, he was 1/4th the power used to restart the universe. He also fought TAO who absorbed massively powerful beings and is a reality warper (but not during BC)

I don't remember that personally. But he did create a Sun during his solo series using ancient rituals and so on. Not really applicable in a battle but neat nonetheless.

I don't remember the specifics but was he stated to be 1/4 of the power? Because as I recall, Spartan had involved into something beyond a God and was probably beyond Majestic. He was also involved in the feat.

At World's End right? What issue? It's from the WildCATS series I'm guessing. Prep Man never answered me unfortunately. I want to see this fight for myself. I'd be surprised if Majestic did anything noticeable and I still haven't heard of it.

Originally posted by Cubey
The last few issues of his first solo was when he became a Universal. They were all pretty much skyfather type beings, and he gained power on their level becoming the guardian of life across the universe.

Did he -or even they- do anything ? I personally don't remember anything notable. We don't have any previous references or feats from Majestic's father to even get a rough idea.

Originally posted by Cubey
And then you have the insane prep use, intelligence (which he displayed against the Cosmic Negator), and shit like that.

Unfortunately he doesn't have prep here.

Originally posted by Cubey
So if you take into account his craziest feats, God Majestic is to Majestic what RKT is to Thor.

Maybe. I'll have to re-read his solos series before I could say for sure.

Majestic doesn't need prep, though. He has created devices in nano seconds. Thor wouldn't know what hit him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Majestic doesn't need prep, though. He has created devices in nano seconds. Thor wouldn't know what hit him.

He has. But only when his had equipment available or access to his lab that is. At least from what I've seen.

He can fly away to get equipment and come back but that might be self battle field removal. And if you think Majestic could do that during an in progress battle, I guess it's only fair to assume Thor can summon down his equipment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dunno. I thought he had gotten over being one, but apparently he kept the upgrade.

Well I've never seen any proof of this.

I can't think of anything. But Mjolnir has faced forces that are Universal in scale. This is a decent example:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg

The energy generated by that attack was going to be used by Zarrako to collapse an infinite number of time lines into one:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CollapseTimelines1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CollapseTimelines2.jpg

Thor himself has tapped into a reactor powerful enough to nullify the entire Universe, attempting to control the energy. He didn't last long before the stress forced him to let go of the forces, but still a neat showing.

That definitely is a great feat. Maybe the CE swords wont be able to do anything to Mjolnir, but he could still harm Thor himself.

I don't remember that personally. But he did create a Sun during his solo series using ancient rituals and so on. Not really applicable in a battle but neat nonetheless.

He also turned the sun into a binary star (if that's not already what you're talking about) and yeah, he needed to create it at the moment the universe would end in order to bring about a new universe.

I don't remember the specifics but was he stated to be 1/4 of the power? Because as I recall, Spartan had involved into something beyond a God and was probably beyond Majestic. He was also involved in the feat.

No that's true, he was never explicitly stated to be 1/4, and yeah Spartan had grown massively powerful by that time.. but if it helps, he was still the second strongest person, and the universe could not have been recreated without him.

Though it probably isn't a quantifiable feat now that I think about it.

At World's End right? What issue? It's from the WildCATS series I'm guessing. Prep Man never answered me unfortunately. I want to see this fight for myself. I'd be surprised if Majestic did anything noticeable and I still haven't heard of it.

Yep it was during World's End. By this time, TAO had absorbed Void, Providence and Max Faraday's power. Majestic came and subdued him the CE swords.

You should note that at this point, TAO was powerful enough to manipulate the Hollow Realm and wipe Spartan clean of his powers.

Another great feat is Majestic holding his own vs Void-amped Atom, and Void-amped Spartan.

Did he -or even they- do anything ? I personally don't remember anything notable. We don't have any previous references or feats from Majestic's father to even get a rough idea.

No, which is on of the reasons I hate using God Majestic in battles. Way too ambiguous, reminds me of featless Superman-Prime 1M.

Unfortunately he doesn't have prep here.

I know.. just showing why Majestic need no be underestimated.

Maybe. I'll have to re-read his solos series before I could say for sure.

Do it.

According to this, Majestic didn't lose his powers.

When he met and became one of the Universals, Majestic inherited his father's position as a guardian of Life itself. As a result, his powers were raised to even higher levels. When he returned to Earth after other adventures he said that he'd gotten over being a Universal. He no longer carried the title, but he didn't lose his powers. Mr. Majestic also has the ability to alter reality, but has only done so twice.

Originally posted by Cubey
Well I've never seen any proof of this.

I'm going off my memory mostly. Prep Man is who made this claim in particular. Ask him for a reference.

Originally posted by Cubey
That definitely is a great feat. Maybe the CE swords wont be able to do anything to Mjolnir, but he could still harm Thor himself.

They should and would. But being able to cut Thor isn't an automatic win. He has a history of facing opponents with bladed weapons. Of course, few if any have been as fast as Majestros.

Originally posted by Cubey
He also turned the sun into a binary star (if that's not already what you're talking about) and yeah, he needed to create it at the moment the universe would end in order to bring about a new universe.

The one I'm talking about was when he had to rearrange the Solar System because of the Cosmic Negator. I recall the mention of a Binary Star so I'm probably talking about that feat.

Originally posted by Cubey
No that's true, he was never explicitly stated to be 1/4, and yeah Spartan had grown massively powerful by that time.. but if it helps, he was still the second strongest person, and the universe could not have been recreated without him.

Though it probably isn't a quantifiable feat now that I think about it.

Well, either way, the Big Chill is more of a possible future type of thing. It wouldn't matter here.

Originally posted by Cubey
Yep it was during World's End. By this time, TAO had absorbed Void, Providence and Max Faraday's power. Majestic came and subdued him the CE swords.

You should note that at this point, TAO was powerful enough to manipulate the Hollow Realm and wipe Spartan clean of his powers.

Another great feat is Majestic holding his own vs Void-amped Atom, and Void-amped Spartan.

From the sound of it, it's impressive, but I'd have to read it for myself to judge accurately.

Atom as in Captain Atom? Atom didn't seem noticeably more powerful to me. Not at the time of the fight at least. He had more of a potential power build up going on as I recall. I did think that was a bit of a low showing personally. According to Atom Superman might have the strength edge on Majestros. I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

I don't remember the Spartan one personally.

Originally posted by Cubey
No, which is on of the reasons I hate using God Majestic in battles. Way too ambiguous, reminds me of featless Superman-Prime 1M.

Well, that's a problem now, isn't it?

Originally posted by Cubey
I know.. just showing why Majestic need no be underestimated.

It's been a while since I've re-read most of his appearances but Majestic is still one of my favorite characters. I won't be underestimating him.

Originally posted by Cubey
Do it.

Heh, sounds like your egging me on to do something dirty. youpi

Originally posted by Prep-Man
According to this, Majestic didn't lose his powers.

Wikipedia? 😕

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They should and would. But being able to cut Thor isn't an automatic win. He has a history of facing opponents with bladed weapons. Of course, few if any have been as fast as Majestros.

There'd obviously be a lot more to the fight than just cutting/smashing each other lol. First off who has the better feats in the basic stats (strength, speed, durability etc) and then factor in other shit.

The one I'm talking about was when he had to rearrange the Solar System because of the Cosmic Negator. I recall the mention of a Binary Star so I'm probably talking about that feat.

Yep same feat.

Well, either way, the Big Chill is more of a possible future type of thing. It wouldn't matter here.

Yeah..

From the sound of it, it's impressive, but I'd have to read it for myself to judge accurately.

Atom as in Captain Atom? Atom didn't seem noticeably more powerful to me. Not at the time of the fight at least. He had more of a potential power build up going on as I recall. I did think that was a bit of a low showing personally. According to Atom Superman might have the strength edge on Majestros. I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

I don't remember the Spartan one personally.

Yes, Captain Atom. I wouldn't say a low feat really. Cap utterly incinerated Apollo, Midnighter, and Jenny Quantum. Majestic was putting the hurt on him. Only later was Atom able to hold his own, and this was a Majestic who was holding himself back the entire time.

The Spartan fight was in the respect thread. Spartan ended up winning very barely by throwing him into some furnace type thing, but before that Majestic was fighting off the entire Spartan race + Void Spartan.

Well, that's a problem now, isn't it?

Which is why I'm using other feats by normal Majestic.

Heh, sounds like your egging me on to do something dirty. youpi

😈

Originally posted by Cubey
Wikipedia? 😕

There'd obviously be a lot more to the fight than just cutting/smashing each other lol. First off who has the better feats in the basic stats (strength, speed, durability etc) and then factor in other shit.

Yep same feat.

Yeah..

Yes, Captain Atom. I wouldn't say a low feat really. Cap utterly incinerated Apollo, Midnighter, and Jenny Quantum. Majestic was putting the hurt on him. Only later was Atom able to hold his own, and this was a Majestic who was holding himself back the entire time.

The Spartan fight was in the respect thread. Spartan ended up winning very barely by throwing him into some furnace type thing, but before that Majestic was fighting off the entire Spartan race + Void Spartan.

Which is why I'm using other feats by normal Majestic.

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Nah, Comicvine. Is that place worse?

They have a lot of fanboys. There information can be "that's pretty much it" to "**** no".

I'd say it's a leap of faith to base your argument off that.

Originally posted by Cubey
There'd obviously be a lot more to the fight than just cutting/smashing each other lol. First off who has the better feats in the basic stats (strength, speed, durability etc) and then factor in other shit.

From what I've seen, Thor's high end feats in strength and durability are above those of Majestic, but that's expected with a character as high end as Thor with such a long run. I'd say the two are more or less equal in strength. I think Majestic might be slightly harder to hurt -he doesn't always come off as invulnerable as Superman to me- but I wouldn't be surprised if Thor can take more punishment before going down. I'd say durability would be more or less equal -at least on average- with these two.

Originally posted by Cubey
Yes, Captain Atom. I wouldn't say a low feat really. Cap utterly incinerated Apollo, Midnighter, and Jenny Quantum. Majestic was putting the hurt on him. Only later was Atom able to hold his own, and this was a Majestic who was holding himself back the entire time.

Incinerated? In their first fight? Don't remember that. Still, Apollo is a bit of pansy and Midnighter's badass aura can only take him so far. I wasn't ever sure where to rank Jenny.

As I recall, Captain Atom thought it was Superman but it turned out to be Majestros. He then knocks him around with 3 hits. Atom says enough and brings him to his knees. He then hammers Majestros deep underground.

I'd call it a low showing. Especially since he called Majestic not quite Superman strong. I guess he held back to some extent but I doubt it would be noticeably more than Atom.

Originally posted by Cubey
The Spartan fight was in the respect thread. Spartan ended up winning very barely by throwing him into some furnace type thing, but before that Majestic was fighting off the entire Spartan race + Void Spartan.

I'll check it out later. I'm too lazy now. 😛

Originally posted by Cubey
Which is why I'm using other feats by normal Majestic.

To be fair, you haven't really given any feats that would change much in this battle outside of maybe the TAO reference (Haven't read that one yet) Just saying.

Majestic wasn't really phased by those blows, though.

Pretty sure Majestic was on his knees from that blast so he was affected to some degree. We don't see how he reacts to the hammering though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? I thought he lost them, saying he got over being one or something similar. Shame. He doesn't seem any more powerful to me currently. He should have just gotten rid of the powers. Makes him look less impressive.

Are you talking about the Cosmic Negator? IRCC he tricked him by rearranging the Solar System as he couldn't fight it.

From his solo series? Impressive feat of power of course but it took some time and it doesn't mean he'd win here or anything. It just means he can operate on a planetary scale like other elite top tiers.

Shoving around planets and inventing tech like the gloves, plus devices to mask the universes rearranging are impressive for sure.

But I was especially impressed with how he casually transformed the composition of Jupiter with his laser vision. It looked like he actually transformed it into a solid state planet...

That should at least be up there with creating a sun.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pretty sure Majestic was on his knees from that blast so he was affected to some degree. We don't see how he reacts to the hammering though.

Yeah, but he wasn't in pain or anything. He later punked CA in the same arc.

He wasn't in agony, but that definitely hurt him. At least it stunned him for a moment.

IRCC, he out-flew Atom and caught his punch, telling him wanted to help him. A cool scene, but I'd have preferred a beat down.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shoving around planets and inventing tech like the gloves, plus devices to mask the universes rearranging are impressive for sure.

But I was especially impressed with how he casually transformed the composition of Jupiter with his laser vision. It looked like he actually transformed it into a solid state planet...

That should at least be up there with creating a sun.

I said they were an impressive showing of power in the same post you quoted did I not?

And the Universes rearranging? What are you referring to?

He might have.

Maybe.

Oh, and about Majestic vs Captain Atom:

Captain Atom had a shard of The Void within him. It unquestionably had an effect on his power level, so we can't really judge any of the CA vs Wildstorm fights as if it was standard CA.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I said they were an impressive showing of power in the same post you quoted did I not?

And the Universes rearranging? What are you referring to?

He might have.

Maybe.

Sorry, I meant to say he invented devices to mask the solar systems rearrangements.

And considering the sheer size of Jupiter and the kind of energy required to transform it's composition, and the fact Majestic easily did this (It looked like he did it instantly too), that's high herald level stuff imo.

I can't see Superman doing the same with his heat vision.

Originally posted by cdtm
Sorry, I meant to say he invented devices to mask the solar systems rearrangements.

And considering the sheer size of Jupiter and the kind of energy required to transform it's composition, and the fact Majestic easily did this (It looked like he did it instantly too), that's high herald level stuff imo.

I can't see Superman doing the same with his heat vision.

I thought you might have meant that.

I think Majestros is a high herald.

Same here.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, and about Majestic vs Captain Atom:

Captain Atom had a shard of The Void within him. It unquestionably had an effect on his power level, so we can't really judge any of the CA vs Wildstorm fights as if it was standard CA.

Really? I thought his powers didn't start fluctuating until later on. When they got on the carrier I believe. But it's been too long for me to comment with certainty.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He wasn't in agony, but that definitely hurt him. At least it stunned him for a moment.

IRCC, he out-flew Atom and caught his punch, telling him wanted to help him. A cool scene, but I'd have preferred a beat down.

I said they were an impressive showing of power in the same post you quoted did I not?

And the Universes rearranging? What are you referring to?

He might have.

Maybe.

Nothing worth noting, though. It didn't really phase him.

And on top of that, CA has had some really impressive showings throughout his history, so...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Really? I thought his powers didn't start fluctuating until later on. When they got on the carrier I believe. But it's been too long for me to comment with certainty.

Well, since all we know is the shard affected his powers, it's hard to say with certainty that they didn't have an effect from the start...

But a piece of Void amped Spartan up to Majestics level, so it's a safe bet Cap was at least somewhat amped since getting it.