So yeah, it can create a ton of starfighters in a very short time frame.
GE should still stomp though.
So yeah, it can create a ton of starfighters in a very short time frame.
GE should still stomp though.
Limitless resources vs a finite one wins every time in war. Revan's Sith Empire wins. And it's not that Sidious didn't have to fight openly, he couldn't. His entire plan hinged on people not knowing what he was doing until it was too late. Had his plot been discovered, he would've been killed. Vs Revan marching straight up to the Republic and Jedi and murdering most of them.
And lets not forget that Sidious reign lasted how long? A few short decades? His empire collapsed from Darth Vader picking him up with one arm and tossing him down that shaft.
The Sith Emporer Revan faced was far more powerful and his empire lasted millennia. It was he who started Revan's sith empire. Sith Empire > Galactic Empire.
Originally posted by Raecino
Limitless resources vs a finite one wins every time in war.
It's not limitless, it's just a continuous flow.
If there's a fleet incoming and you tell it, "I need a hundred capital ships in the next hour!".... you're screwed, it doesn't work that fast.
Plus there's the matter of crew. You need people to actually run your fleet.
The Galactic Empire has far more ships than the Revan Empire yet had managed to produce with the Star Forge, by a good number, and that'll allow them to go and take most of Revan's territory, send offensive missions to find the Forge, and blow it up or conquer it. Thus cutting off the flow of ships.
The Galactic Empire's ships are also bigger and better.
And lets not forget that Sidious reign lasted how long? A few short decades? His empire collapsed from Darth Vader picking him up with one arm and tossing him down that shaft.The Sith Emporer Revan faced was far more powerful and his empire lasted millennia. It was he who started Revan's sith empire. Sith Empire > Galactic Empire.
The Sith Empire lasted millennia of isolation. Once it actually came out in the open, it lasted... a few short decades.
Also, it only conquered half the galaxy, to Sidious's all of it.
In terms of proportion-of-galaxy-conquered, Sidious had 100%, Krayt had 80~%, Vitiate had 50~%, and Revan had 30~%.
In absolute amounts of territory, it's even worse, since each era had expanded onto more planets than they had before. You could fit four, maybe five of Revan's Empire into one of Sidious's.
The maps seem more reliable for a judgment than a single line from a sourcebook, especially given that the maps are, IIRC, newer.
Also:
Leviathan-class
Technical specifications
[list]
[*] Length: 600 meters
[*] Armament :
- Quad laser cannons (20)
- Turbolaser cannons (4)
- Ion cannons (2)
- Tractor beam generators (1)
[*] Complement: 48 Sith fighters [/list]
Versus
Imperator-class
Technical specifications
[list]
[*] Length: 1,600 meters
[*] Armament:
- Dual heavy turbolaser turrets (6)
- Dual heavy ion cannon turrets (2)
- Quad heavy turbolasers (2)
- Triple medium turbolasers (3)
- Medium turbolasers (2)
- Taim & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolasers (60)
- Borstel NK-7 ion cannons (60)
- Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10)
[*] Complement:
- TIE/LN starfighter (48)
- TIE/sa bomber (12)
- TIE boarding craft (12)
- Lambda-class shuttles (8)
- Delta-class stormtrooper transports (15)
- Assault gunboats (5)
- A variable number of Skipray Blastboats
- Gamma-class assault shuttle (1+)
- Repair and recovery vehicles
- Theta-class AT-AT barges
- Sentinel-class landing craft (12)
- AT-AT walkers (20)
- AT-ST walkers (30)
- Prefabricated garrison base (1) [/list]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"The Imperial Military was considered a massive organization, with tens of trillions of regular army soldiers, trillions of fleet crew, and a sizable force of stormtroopers."-Rebellion Era Campaign Guide
"You are part of the greatest navy ever assembled."-Imperial Sourcebook
"It would take 1,000 Recusant-class light destroyers to take on a single Mandator-II class Star Dreadnought."-ROTS ICS
^Note that the Executors and pretty much every other Imperial era dreadnought is leagues above the Mandator-II.
The Clone Wars also saw the CIS field millions of capital ships fielded, and anywhere from quadrillions to quintillions of battledroids fielded. The Empire's military was superior to this. The Clone Wars era Republic or the CIS would dominate Revan's Empire, let alone the Galactic Empire.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
"The Imperial Military was considered a massive organization, with tens of trillions of regular army soldiers, trillions of fleet crew, and a sizable force of stormtroopers."-Rebellion Era Campaign Guide"You are part of the greatest navy ever assembled."-Imperial Sourcebook
"It would take 1,000 Recusant-class light destroyers to take on a single Mandator-II class Star Dreadnought."-ROTS ICS
^Note that the Executors and pretty much every other Imperial era dreadnought is leagues above the Mandator-II.
The Clone Wars also saw the CIS field millions of capital ships fielded, and anywhere from quadrillions to quintillions of battledroids fielded. The Empire's military was superior to this. The Clone Wars era Republic or the CIS would dominate Revan's Empire, let alone the Galactic Empire.
The GE fields the largest military in history, larger than even the CIS or the combined factions of the Old Republic era (I'll get you the scan for that). Combined with the technological edge, it crushes Revan effortlessly.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not according to the above source.
The above source is crushed beneath the multitude of sources at my disposal, some of which are newer than the KotOR Campaign Guide.
Besides which, the excerpt goes on to elucidate what it means by "on par" with Palpatine's Empire: in that it has big ships, shocktroopers, and a Death Star-like superweapon.
Doesn't mean it stands a remote chance of taking on the GE, which it doesn't. Revan's Sith are utterly steamrolled.
I don't see how it can field a force larger than the combined factions of the Old Republic when the above source says that just Revans forces had a military on par with the Empire, at least in terms of scale. I generally agree that the tech difference is too vast, but that seems contradictory to me.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I believe I've uploaded the scan before, which means I'll have to go trolling through my Photobucket profile, which means I may experience profound heartbreak.Spoiler:
The ex is officially on post-Tempest bf #2; gotta appreciate the time management
Has it been a month already?
