Revan's Sith Empire vs Sidious's Galactic Empire

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, that was only written like 5 months after the Kotor campaign guide.

Did the writer read the latter and was like 'Oh yeah?! Guess again motherf*cker!"?

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Spoiler:
A month and a half, maybe?

So I'm not crazy. It is a predictable behavior.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
From The Rebellion Era Campaign Guide.

Pwned! Sorry about the gf. 🙁

Just to further drive the point home:

-The Ultimate Visual Guide

Given that he had nearly a generation to mass forces, versus the few scant years Revan had (if that), this goes without saying.

And again, population increases exponentially with time, unless the SW universe had an extinction/restart event like 300 BBY.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So I'm not crazy. It is a predictable behavior.

Oh, there's crazy involved, it's just not coming from you. I say we assemble a group of jaded psychologists and sociologists and hammer out a research project on this shit.

Then we figure out a way to exploit it for male benefit, write a guide, and sell it for millions.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Oh, there's crazy involved, it's just not coming from you. I say we assemble a group of jaded psychologists and sociologists and hammer out a research project on this shit.

Then we figure out a way to exploit it for male benefit, write a guide, and sell it for millions.

I approve.

MOAR!:

Sidenote: the amount of personnel required just to make the Death Star tick was absolutely staggering:

Not definitive enuff, Galan. We want MOAR.

Here's the thing, SW is full of hyperbolic statements. Lots of writers like to puff up this or that, and often in non-specific statements.

"On par" is somewhat vague. On part in what sense? It says "a massive galaxy threatening organization on par with the Galactic Empire...". That doesn't say military of the same size. It could be a threat on par, but that's relative to what's threatening.

The Galactic Empire being the biggest military is more heavily supported from more sources, *much* more specific, and just plum makes sense.

In TOR, Harrowers are the best ships ever when they come into the field. They're a step above prior ships like KotoR ships. Both by description, and simply examining them- they're bigger and badder than Revan's ships.

Harrowers are mini Star Destroyers. Less than half the size of an Imperial. 2/3rds the size of a Victory.

That says a lot about where the ships stand.

On a similar note, the Great Hyperspace War Sith Empire once threatened the galaxy. They probably had less forces than a number of the big Imperial warlords like Zsinj, who didn't threaten the galaxy, because what he was facing was so much bigger.

Galan

Sidenote: the amount of personnel required just to make the Death Star tick was absolutely staggering:

Not so much for a galaxy, really. A mere million is pretty tiny.

What was required to build it was rather more impressive.

Stealth Moose

And again, population increases exponentially with time, unless the SW universe had an extinction/restart event like 300 BBY.

You can see the territory of the galaxy expand over time too. From this and this map (and to an extent, this one, which shows the absolute furthest extent of known space), there's sectors major population centers that weren't even explored in earlier times. And the empire and post-empire time were an era of even more exploration, so there's areas still being added.

I'm not sure who had more territory between Palpatine and Krayt for that reason, despite Palpatine's conquests being more complete.

Originally posted by Q99
Not so much for a galaxy, really. A mere million is pretty tiny.

And I would like to point out that the Death Star's main crew already "exceeded" a million beings--and that number did not include the additional 25,000+ Stormtroopers and 400,000+ droids that were also on board. That being said, the DS's cumulative roster was likely pushing 2 million-- but still lol @ you saying "a mere million" as though it's nothing. 👆

Anywho, the aforementioned is most certainly a gargantuan number of personnel to all be housed in a single vessel. 🙂

^That actually seems quite low considering that the Acclamator-I class transports carried 16,000 troops each.

Originally posted by Galan007
Who is talking about a galaxy? I'm talking about a single space station. 👆

And I would like to point out that the Death Star's main crew already "exceeded" a million beings--and that number did not include the additional 25,000+ Stormtroopers and 400,000+ droids that were also on board. That being said, the DS's cumulative roster was likely pushing 2 million-- but still lol @ you saying "a mere million" as though it's nothing. 👆

Anywho, the aforementioned is most certainly a gargantuan number of personnel to all be housed in a single vessel. 🙂

Yea, I just mean, with a galaxy, it's not a strain on humanpower to fill it.

I imagine one could fill it with tens, even hundreds of millions pretty easily. Maybe more. One million is just *crew*.

In full swing, the Death Star should pretty much be a mobile fleet base/supply station/military colony in one.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
^That actually seems quite low considering that the Acclamator-I class transports carried 16,000 troops each.

As an example: the next closest thing to the Death Star's numbers I could find was the Executor, with a crew numbering 280,000.

Originally posted by Galan007
Please don't misunderstand my point and/or put words in my mouth. I am not talking about the size of a particular ship in relation to the number of personnel aboard. I am simply referencing the total number of personnel available in one location, on one ship/station. And in that respect, 2 million is absurdly vast.

As an example: the next closest thing to the Death Star's numbers I could find was the Executor, with a crew number of 280,000.

For comparison, the Executor is only moderately shorter than the island of Manhattan, and much taller.

You could certainly *fit* millions onto the Executor!

The Death Star's gotta have crew at only a few key areas, most of it are just empty stuff as-of the movies. Room to expand and then some.

Eh, well hopefully no one here is of the opinion that the Empire jam-packs as many personnel as possible into their ships/stations. They only utilize what is required.

I remember something from the New Republic stuff that said they vastly scaled back the personnel for the capital ships. The 30+ thousand in the Empire's ISDs was brought down to like 2,000ish. They were overmanned.

Damned if I came remember where that came from.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I remember something from the New Republic stuff that said they vastly scaled back the personnel for the capital ships. The 30+ thousand in the Empire's ISDs was brought down to like 2,000ish. They were overmanned.

Damned if I came remember where that came from.

Fleet numbers are hard to find anyway. WEG's RPG books put the number of actual ISDs at just 2,500 to begin with, though with also very large numbers of smaller ships.

The NR definitely did drowngrade.

I think, post-Vong, the GA kept a larger fleet, as people more accepted the need after dealing with a giant invasion.

By Legacy, GA ship sizes had downgraded but they were focused to be very high-firepower ships (rather than having spread out coverage like most ships, they were designed to maximize firepower on one target with newer, higher power turbolasers and thus punch above their weightclass).

I get Galan's point though. One space station required in excess of a million beings. Not civilians just mulling about, but trained military operatives from every branch. That they could replace such a thing and its crew in 4 years, and nonuple it--all while fielding an unprecedented, gargantuan armada and war machine is... quite the economical/logistical achievement.

I don't know what that Raecino is going on about. The Star Forge could produce limitless resources on a fixed scale. Being able to churn out one donut every minute forever won't feed all the starving cops right now. That those donuts also require living pilots to fly them to the cops (pilots that can't be produced like the donuts can), hinders the feeding frenzy even more.

Indeed. 👆