Fixing Health Care in America

Originally posted by Parmaniac
BS You guys never gave us germans a chance ahah

I think Germany did well taking on the world and lasting that long. Three things Germany are good at, starting wars, playing football at important tournaments and making beer, oh yes you lot can make beer.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
When millions of people suddenly find themselves with free access to them, yes, there will be. Especially when doctors order a slew of additional, unnecessary tests to protect themselves from malpractice suits.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals: Failing basic economics since always.

Yes. We need one. People with pre-existing conditions need to be able to afford health insurance. If you don't like it, tough. Part of being a first-world country means that you sacrifice the freedoms of anarchy for a better society.

No offense, but that's as leftist a statement as it gets.

Originally posted by cdtm
No offense, but that's as leftist a statement as it gets.

You don't mean that, you can be way more leftist than that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You don't mean that, you can be way more leftist than that.

Society must provide for those in need? Sacrificing freedoms for a better society? Smells like far left philosophy.

He's obviously not a leftist, but making that statement after tearing into the left is kind of ironic..

Originally posted by cdtm
Society must provide for those in need? Sacrificing freedoms for a better society? Smells like far left philosophy.

He's obviously not a leftist, but making that statement after tearing into the left is kind of ironic..

That's a moderate left statement at best. Hell, there's lots of people on the right that agree with that to some degree.

Originally posted by cdtm
Society must provide for those in need? Sacrificing freedoms for a better society? Smells like far left philosophy.

He's obviously not a leftist, but making that statement after tearing into the left is kind of ironic..

Sacrificing freedom for a better society can be a dictatorial philosophy too.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Sacrificing freedom for a better society can be a dictatorial philosophy too.

To save man we must first save him from himself.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To save man we must first save him from himself.

Right on.

Originally posted by cdtm
No offense, but that's as leftist a statement as it gets.

No, the doctors we have right now are not being effective at maximum capacity right now. All more demand will do is cause an expansion to higher working levels.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I'm pretty sure supporting a public option is a centrist position that is considered left-wing in the U.S. because of how conservative we are as a nation. Either way, supporting one leftist policy does not me a liberal make. (I also support publicly funding elections; what now, bitches?)

Please relinquish your right to vote now.

You seem destined to look for your pound of flesh Shylock!

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I'm pretty sure supporting a public option is a centrist position that is considered left-wing in the U.S. because of how conservative we are as a nation. Either way, supporting one leftist policy does not me a liberal make. (I also support publicly funding elections; what now, bitches?)

Please relinquish your right to vote now.

So, what do you have to say about waiting lists in countries with universal health care? That they don't happen and that I'm parroting FOX News's conservative propaganda?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo

[b]5. Institute a public option.
Yes. We need one. People with pre-existing conditions need to be able to afford health insurance. If you don't like it, tough. Part of being a first-world country means that you sacrifice the freedoms of anarchy for a better society. [/B]

I wonder if all those lefties who really want Euro-style healthcare, actually think its to the benefit of Americans, or do they just wanna stir up some shit by making "a difference".

I think some people with signs, and who chant and protest all day long with other like-minded people, just like the act of demonstrating itself and fiddling with their Right to Assembly, MORE than the actual cause or protest itself. I've read that particpating in mob behavior releases certain feel-good hormones, similar to the rush a person gets when they receive a large paycheck.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
So, what do you have to say about waiting lists in countries with universal health care? That they don't happen and that I'm parroting FOX News's conservative propaganda?

Originally posted by King Kandy
That they do happen

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
And why is this?

From everything i've seen, the best single payer systems have less waiting time than we do in the US.

Because, in general, you don't get everything done at once in medicine.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Or it might be because the supply of doctors can't keep up with the demand for their services.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I wonder if all those lefties who really want Euro-style healthcare, actually think its to the benefit of Americans, or do they just wanna stir up some shit by making "a difference".

I think some people with signs, and who chant and protest all day long with other like-minded people, just like the act of demonstrating itself and fiddling with their Right to Assembly, MORE than the actual cause or protest itself. I've read that particpating in mob behavior releases certain feel-good hormones, similar to the rush a person gets when they receive a large paycheck.

There is no doubt in anyone reasonable's mind that having European style health care systems would be the best thing for the majority of Americans. There are other reason's to oppose it, not the benefit and welfare of the people though.