Surfer against Thor? I don't think it is as cut and dry as people say.
IMO both of these characters have been shown to have abilities waaaaay beyond the stuff that is normally shown.
At one point or another, both have been shown to be able to do pretty much anything they want.
The tools they have are way off the scale. This includes Thor.
If anything, when Thor is not being portrayed as a complete Dolt, he may even have more tricks up his sleeve than the Surfer.
They have been shown to have energy manipulation, matter manipulation, maybe some time travel stuff in there, speed feats, etc, etc, etc.
But, when they fight the Hulk or Wolverine and other fan-favorites, they suddenly only know how to "box". Hehe.
Originally posted by carver9
Did Hulk get depowered because nothing has been stated otherwise that he has?
He might as well be.
Pak went overboard with that Heart of the Monster arc and it'll be almost certainly ignored now that he's gone.
If World Breaker Hulk pops up, it'll be in the most extreme of circumstances.
Originally posted by Starscream M
carver, while I agree hulk can solo thor, saying he can solo both thor and herc is a bit overboard, don't you think?what makes you think he's that powerful?
Because he didn't even acknowledge 2 physical beings that would probably beat Herc to sleep and he didn't even acknowledge Armageddon, the same person that ran through Surfer and Merged Hulk in 3 panels. To ignore 2 beings that physically matched Savage Hulk and one being that ran through Surfer and Merged Hulk the way Armageddon did without even flinching from their attacks is enough proof for me.
Thor would have to pull out his most exotic, most powerful attacks to even get this version of Hulk to even recognize him. Let's also not forget, the impact between WBH and She Rulk destroyed the planet along with nearby planets but after the explosion, Hulk didn't even have a scratch on him...the guy was standing on a cliff with a smile on his face after a greater than planetary explosion hit him.
Hulk solos. Rage, there is nothing indicated that Hulk has been depowered.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor would have to pull out his most exotic, most powerful attacks to even get this version of Hulk to even recognize him.Hulk solos. Rage, there is nothing indicated that Hulk has been depowered.
Sorry bro, but Thor's absolute best puts World Breaker or any version of the Hulk down. Maybe with another dozen power ups under a fanboy writer and he'll be able to compete. If Thor ever had someone like that penning him. Eternity better watch out.
How about you apply some common sense? Hulk isn't going to be operating at his Heart of the Monster levels.
However, I do find it amusing that your flawed reasoning can easily back fire. After all, if current Hulk is operating at those levels, doesn't that mean that Thor took that Hulk on despite another power up? 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
So does world breaker hulk battles with mutated sharks? Heart of the monster was hulk's version of blood and thunder or OWAW or circle of fire etc. It's foolish to think that only one showing that's likely to be ignored is hulk's norm now.
Let's not pretend that the scene that provided above is the only time he displayed that type of power. It was "consistent" and happened on will and happened too many times for it to even be compared to the list you made in your post.
WBH is him...its his natural ability and him operating at those levels happened enough for it to be used as a valid argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sorry bro, but Thor's absolute best puts World Breaker or any version of the Hulk down. Maybe with another dozen power ups under a fanboy writer and he'll be able to compete. If Thor ever had someone like that penning him. Eternity better watch out.How about you apply some common sense? Hulk isn't going to be operating at his Heart of the Monster levels.
However, I do find it amusing that your flawed reasoning can easily back fire. After all, if current Hulk is operating at those levels, doesn't that mean that Thor took that Hulk on despite another power up? 🙂
Rage, I'm not discussing this with you again. Hulk has the ability to power up and power down at will...so you honestly isn't making any sense with your stance. Like I said...even though current Hulk isn't operating at WBH levels doeant mean he can't will.himself to those levels like he did in the past.
By the way, I wasn't impressed with Thor showing against Nul.
Originally posted by carver9
Rage, I'm not discussing this with you again. Hulk has the ability to power up and power down at will...so you honestly isn't making any sense with your stance. Like I said...even though current Hulk isn't operating at WBH levels doeant mean he can't will.himself to those levels like he did in the past.By the way, I wasn't impressed with Thor showing against Nul.
Hulk was possessed by a powerful entity that made him stronger than before, not seeing the flaw. Perhaps, but like Thor with Warrior Madness, high end lighting bolts, the God Blast etc. mentioning it in a thread without some special circumstance like going "all out" etc. is stupid (Scenario 2 may count). It's not the norm.
Taking on an amped up Thing/Hulk isn't impressive? Okay then. If the tables were reversed, the idea alone of Hulk taking on an amped up Thing/Thor team up would get you hard.
I can just picture you using the upcoming battle months before it happens as evidence that Hulk is too much for Thor alone. It's just how your twisted little mind works.
^So superman can go all probe buster any time he wants, all he has to is drop his mental blocks. Joe casey's majestic rearranged entire solar system, beta ray bill destroyed multiple planets, astro force canceled obilivion bomb, mjolnir absorbed null bomb, surfer defeated unilord, superman defeated dominus, heralds always have done things that make you say WTF. You trumpeting thor can't hurt hulk doesn't make it true, we can always go to high end feats as thor shattered exitar's domepiece.
Originally posted by carver9those were whimpy planets. 😄
Because he didn't even acknowledge 2 physical beings that would probably beat Herc to sleep and he didn't even acknowledge Armageddon, the same person that ran through Surfer and Merged Hulk in 3 panels. To ignore 2 beings that physically matched Savage Hulk and one being that ran through Surfer and Merged Hulk the way Armageddon did without even flinching from their attacks is enough proof for me.Thor would have to pull out his most exotic, most powerful attacks to even get this version of Hulk to even recognize him. Let's also not forget, the impact between WBH and She Rulk destroyed the planet along with nearby planets but after the explosion, Hulk didn't even have a scratch on him...the guy was standing on a cliff with a smile on his face after a greater than planetary explosion hit him.
Hulk solos. Rage, there is nothing indicated that Hulk has been depowered.
Originally posted by abhilegend
^So superman can go all probe buster any time he wants, all he has to is drop his mental blocks. Joe casey's majestic rearranged entire solar system, beta ray bill destroyed multiple planets, astro force canceled obilivion bomb, mjolnir absorbed null bomb, surfer defeated unilord, superman defeated dominus, heralds always have done things that make you say WTF. You trumpeting thor can't hurt hulk doesn't make it true, we can always go to high end feats as thor shattered exitar's domepiece.
I dont think you understand the meaning of consistent.
