Surfer & Hulk vs. Thor.& Herc

Originally posted by zopzop
"oh so obvious" and "that's gonna cost you" from an Egyptian Deity? Like so totally bogus!

LOL "No power in the Universe can match me" coming from Seth? Galaxies crumbling? You really believe this happened with nothing being shown on panel even remotely suggesting this?

Greater beings than Odin and Seth have thrown down and have done less damage than what was suggested by the narrator.

So your main problem is not the dialogue but the power level? Your one of those people who have preconceived notions of Odin?

I'm sure they weren't operating on that level. Clearly Doctor Strange and Silver Surfer were just f*cking with us for the lulz.

I mean, it's not as if Odin never operated on a Galaxy busting level before or anything. Oh wait:

Surtur once destroy an entire Galaxy forging a Sword. A portion of the Odin Force once created an entire dimension. Full of their own Gods and everything.

Id' bet you'd hate it if Odin was returned to former glory. He'd then be up there with Cosmics in both presentation and feats.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you referring to?

True. The Odin Force has shown it can amp up beings to a level beyond Hulk physically. Odin can operate on an entirely different scale. There's simply no competition.

Hahaha. Your such a f*cking hypocrite. Do you remember the time you jumped all over the Superman space/time barrier shattering feat?

Why not? Nowhere did it state that the energies somehow skyrocketed. 1+1=/=10. In that comic Thor could at the very least equal half that force.

It wasn't a galaxy. It was galaxies and Odin has done feats on that scale more than once.They weren't fighting a long time. In total they fought for a few pages before that scene. Don't try and write that scene as a result of some extended release of power. It's just asinine. They were operating on a massive scale from the get go:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You haven't read most of their fights have you? When Thor takes on the Destroyer in hand to hand, he holds his own. He goes toe to toe with it despite it being nigh invulnerable and having infinite stamina. He just eventually gets worn out at times.

It's like fighting a stronger, tougher, more powerful and versatile Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]So your main problem is not the dialogue but the power level? Your one of those people who have preconceived notions of Odin?

I'm sure they weren't operating on that level. Clearly Doctor Strange and Silver Surfer were just f*cking with us for the lulz.

Nothing was shown on panel to suggest that galaxies or anything were being destroyed (hell where were the stars being reignited being shown on panel?). I thought the issue was a joke because the dialogue and narration was atrocious (even for a comic).

I mean, it's not as if Odin never operated on a Galaxy busting level before or anything. Oh wait:

I don't see a galaxy being destroyed. At BEST I see a solar system taking a beating. And he wasn't saying he can destroy a galaxy. Read the text again.

Surtur once destroy an entire Galaxy forging a Sword.

Anyone have a scan? I find it amazing that he destroys an entire galaxy to forge his sword, yet a final showdown involving all the gods and demons in Asgard can't even destroy the Earth's solar system.

Do you know the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system?

A portion of the Odin Force once created an entire dimension. Full of their own Gods and everything.

"Dimensions" vary in size. I seem to recall in the 85 issue of the Handbook of the Marvel Universe where they showed the Nine Worlds of the Norse, Midgard (EARTH) was the largest!

Id' bet you'd hate it if Odin was returned to former glory. He'd then be up there with Cosmics in both presentation and feats.

I just have a problem believing a guy that got OWNED repeatedly by the Celestials is rocking the multiverse. Seeing as how they have NEVER been shown doing half the things he's claimed as doing.

They owned his ass when he had back up from 2 other Skyfathers. They owned his ass after he had 1000 years prep and was boosted with the Destroyer armor (who other Godheads also lent a portion of their power to create).

Monarch destroyed a universe, he is skyfather level IMO.

Originally posted by amnesia
Monarch destroyed a universe, he is skyfather level IMO.

Monarch is DC no? DC != Marvel. Marvel USED to have the saner hierarchy of powers and principalities. DC's is a jumbled mess.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nothing was shown on panel to suggest that galaxies or anything were being destroyed (hell where were the stars being reignited being shown on panel?). I thought the issue was a joke because the dialogue and narration was atrocious (even for a comic).

So I take it you don't know how to read? Strange said that Galaxies were being imperiled and a great upheaval was tearing at the fabric of the Multiverse. Surfer stated he felt forces powerful enough to rock this entire continuum.

These statement prove -there's no need but your threatened by Odin's showing of power- that what the narration said wasn't simply flowery dialogue. Odin and Seth were operating on that scale. A scale on which Galaxies are destroyed as an aftershock.

Further -although unnecessary- proof:

".....the Universe in my mind...and it was screaming in mortal agony. I-it was like watching the death throes of reality as we know it."

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't see a galaxy being destroyed. At BEST I see a solar system taking a beating. And he wasn't saying he can destroy a galaxy. Read the text again.

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If your going to troll me, make it clear from the get go so I won't waste my time. Or do you really have the inability to read the text in my scans?

"Though planets crumble -- though galaxies fall --"

Originally posted by zopzop
Anyone have a scan? I find it amazing that he destroys an entire galaxy to forge his sword, yet a final showdown involving all the gods and demons in Asgard can't even destroy the Earth's solar system.

Do you know the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system?

Originally posted by zopzop
"Dimensions" vary in size. I seem to recall in the 85 issue of the Handbook of the Marvel Universe where they showed the Nine Worlds of the Norse, Midgard (EARTH) was the largest!

A dimension/alternate reality. It seemed to be akin to the 8 worlds -excluding Midgard- that we know as it had dwarves etc.

Funny you should mention Midgard. Loki used Odin's magic blessed in a Golden Apple to warp the Midgardian dimension and at the end of the story it was again used to restore the MU proper.

Originally posted by zopzop
I just have a problem believing a guy that got OWNED repeatedly by the Celestials is rocking the multiverse. Seeing as how they have NEVER been shown doing half the things he's claimed as doing.

They owned his ass when he had back up from 2 other Skyfathers. They owned his ass after he had 1000 years prep and was boosted with the Destroyer armor (who other Godheads also lent a portion of their power to create).

That was the Celestial's introduction into the Mainstream Universe. Some people believe Odin was jobbed out and this started his spiral from power, but people don't seem to realize that Celestials were at the time beyond other Cosmic beings. I doubt Galactus would have fared any better than Odin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When Chaos War starts and he faces off Mikaboshi, you'll have all the feats you want.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So I take it you don't know to read? Strange said that Galaxies were being imperiled and a great upheaval was tearing at the fabric of the Multiverse. Surfer stated he felt forces powerful enough to rock this entire continuum.

These statement prove -there's no need but your clearly threatened by Odin's showing of power- that what was narration wasn't simply flowery dialogue. Odin and Seth were operating on that scale. A scale on which Galaxies are destroyed as an aftershock.

Further -although unnecessary- proof:

".....the [b]Universe in my mind...and it was screaming in mortal agony. I-it was like watching the death throes of reality as we know it."

Ok let me get this straight. You expect me to believe all that is going on when two nobodies (in the Cosmic Scheme of things) are throwing down?

Nothing this level was even suggested when Thanos with the Full IG took on all the Cosmic Pantheon. At best we were shown a solar system being vaporized.

Nothing this level went down when Tiamut threw down vs the Second Host of Celestials.

Nothing this level went down when Quasar backed by all the power of Infinity took on Anomaly Maelstrom backed by Oblivion.

I call bullshit. I don't see galaxies dying, stars igniting, or anyone above the level of the Silver Surfer breaking a sweat that these guys are having a slap fight.

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If your going to troll me, make it clear from the get go so I won't waste my time. Or do you really have the inability to read the text in my scans?

"Though planets crumble -- though galaxies fall --"

It's called a figure of speech. That's like saying "I'll stand my ground come hell or high water!"

I DO NOT see a galaxy being destroyed. I googled around and even on other forums they dispute that a galaxy (let alone galaxies) were being destroyed in that scan.

Incredible, yet the full force of the gods and demons in Asgard didn't even shake our Solar System. This raises another question, did Surtur cause the explosion or was he simply taking advantage of a dying galaxy?

Funny you should mention Midgard. Loki used Odin's magic blessed in a Golden Apple to warp the Midgardian dimension and at the end of the story it was again used to restore the MU proper.

See my above comment regarding "feats" like this compared to things like the IG.

That was the Celestial's introduction into the Mainstream Universe. Some people believe Odin was jobbed out and this started his spiral from power, but people don't seem to realize that Celestials were at the time beyond other Cosmic beings. I doubt Galactus would have fared any better than Odin.

And since then? Thor in the Atlantis Attacks Annual came out and said his father's power (and the rest of the Earth Gods) are as nothing before the Celestials. And yet they've never been shown doing the things that Seth/Odin fight supposedly did.

Your only argument is that If X can't do it X has no chance of doing it, even if he did it.

Originally posted by amnesia
Your only argument is that If X can't do it X has no chance of doing it, even if he did it.

No that's not it.

Nothing on panel matched what the narrator was saying. No being higher in power levels than the Silver Surfer seemed to be alarmed by their fight (or even aware of it).

When beings whose power levels DWARF (DWARF by large margins) Odin/Seth fought, not even a fraction of the stuff that was supposed to be happening in the Odin/Seth fight went down.

So I call bullshit.

That's exactly what your argument is. Your just b*thing and moaning because you can't accept Odin's feats. Shut the f*ck up and stop the whining. It happened. Odin's operated on this scale more than once. Deal with it. Comics don't follow your preconceived notions.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok let me get this straight. You expect me to believe all that is going on when two nobodies (in the Cosmic Scheme of things) are throwing down?

Nothing this level was even suggested when Thanos with the Full IG took on all the Cosmic Pantheon. At best we were shown a solar system being vaporized.

Nothing this level went down when Tiamut threw down vs the Second Host of Celestials.

Nothing this level went down when Quasar backed by all the power of Infinity took on Anomaly Maelstrom backed by Oblivion.

I call bullshit. I don't see galaxies dying, stars igniting, or anyone above the level of the Silver Surfer breaking a sweat that these guys are having a slap fight.

Translation: Moan, B*tch , Moan, B*tch.

Please come up with an actual argument then get back to me.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's called a figure of speech. That's like saying "I'll stand my ground come hell or high water!"

I DO NOT see a galaxy being destroyed. I googled around and even on other forums they dispute that a galaxy (let alone galaxies) were being destroyed in that scan.

Hahaha, figure of speech. Your arguments so far have been so laughably poor and fragile, it's sad.

Odin straight up said Galaxies were falling while we see cataclysmic destruction. Seeing as this came out in like 1969, there is nothing wrong with that depiction. Odin and the rogue Infinity were in a battle for the Universe.

I don't give a rat's ass about what a bunch of idiots on other forums say. This is about as clear cut as sh*t can get.

One more time:
"The power of the scepter seems to shake the entire Universe with it's ever expanding energy."

"So overpowering.. so uncontrollable..is this violent upheaval of limitless energy, that it shatters dead planets as if they are ant-hills...as the heat of it's passing leaves new burning Suns in it's Galaxy wide wake"

Originally posted by zopzop
Incredible, yet the full force of the gods and demons in Asgard didn't even shake our Solar System. This raises another question, did Surtur cause the explosion or was he simply taking advantage of a dying galaxy?

See my above comment regarding "feats" like this compared to things like the IG.

Translation: Moan, B*tch, Moan, B*tch.

Please come up with an actual argument then get back to me.

Originally posted by zopzop
And since then? Thor in the Atlantis Attacks Annual came out and said his father's power (and the rest of the Earth Gods) are as nothing before the Celestials. And yet they've never been shown doing the things that Seth/Odin fight supposedly did.

Writers read their first fight and went along with it. That Annual compared Odin's power to that of a Cosmic Cube, and Odin was at least on Galactus' level going by it.

That annual isn't a knock against Odin. Going by it he was still a Cosmic power house. The Celestials were simply the next step in the Cosmic food chain.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Translation: Moan, *****, Moan, *****.

Please come up with an actual argument then get back to me.

Hahaha, figure of speech. Your arguments so far have been so laughably poor and fragile, it's sad.

Odin straight up said Galaxies were falling while we see cataclysmic destruction. Seeing as this came out in like 1969, there is nothing wrong with that depiction. Odin and the rogue Infinity were in a battle for the Universe. I don't give a rat's ass about what a bunch of idiots on other forums say. This is about as clear cut as sh*t can get.

One more time:
"The power of the scepter seems to shake the [b]entire Universe with it's ever expanding energy."

"So overpowering.. so uncontrollable..is this violent upheaval of limitless energy, that it shatters dead planets as if they are ant-hills...as the heat of it's passing leaves new burning Suns in it's Galaxy wide wake"

Translation: Moan, *****, Moan, *****.

Please come up with an actual argument then get back to me.

Writers read their first fight and went along with it. That Annual compared Odin's power to that of a Cosmic Cube, and Odin was at least on Galactus' level going by it.

That annual isn't a knock against Odin. Going by it he was still a Cosmic power house. The Celestials were simply the next step in the Cosmic food chain. [/B]

And here we go. You are going to tell me, with a straight face no less, that Odin and Seth throwing down had more scope and influence than :

Infinity vs Oblivion

Thanos with the IG vs the Cosmic Pantheon

Tiamut vs the entire Second Host

Galactus vs FP Tyrant

Galactus vs Inbetweener

Even if none of it was shown on panel, even if the highest level "cosmic" being that mentions it is the Silver Surfer? If you say yes, we're done.

Originally posted by zopzop
And here we go. You are going to tell me, with a straight face no less, that Odin and Seth throwing down had more scope and influence than :

Infinity vs Oblivion

Thanos with the IG vs the Cosmic Pantheon

Tiamut vs the entire Second Host

Galactus vs FP Tyrant

Galactus vs Inbetweener

Even if none of it was shown on panel, even if the highest level "cosmic" being that mentions it is the Silver Surfer? If you say yes, we're done.

STOP. Stop using that horribly fallacious logic.

I don't care if it proves Odin > TOAA. I don't give a shit that these feats make your vagina all sandy. I could care less if you accept it or not.

It however did happen. Directly stated and supported. On panel. There is no disputing that. Acting as if you have some legit argument is just pathetic. I wouldn't care if you admitted that you don't like these scenes. But pretending that they didn't happen or the narration was lying to us is just downright stupid.

It was clear from the start that the power Odin displayed was what made you squirm. Lulz at you initially trying to pass it off as being bad dialogue or whatever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
make your vagina all sandy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
STOP. Stop using that horribly fallacious logic.

I don't care if it proves Odin > TOAA. I don't give a shit that these feats make your vagina all sandy. I could care less if you accept it or not.

It however did happen. Directly stated and supported. On panel. There is no disputing that. Acting as if you have some legit argument is just pathetic. I wouldn't care if you admitted that you don't like these scenes. But pretending that they didn't happen or the narration was lying to us is just downright stupid.

I don't accept it because it's not SHOWN ON PANEL. Do you understand? I don't accept it because greater than Odin/Seth have thrown down and not even a fraction of the crap the narrator said happened. I don't accept it because nothing higher in power level than the Silver Surfer even acknowledged it.

Was the Watcher asleep?

The Cosmic Pantheon bum rushes Thanos with the IG and a few solar systems are wiped out.

Order, Chaos, Celestials, Galactus, Eon, Stranger, Love, Hate, and a few more I'm probably missing can't muster the same amount of power to "rock the multiverse" or even merely destroy a galaxy like Odin/Seth can?

Seth really believes no power in the Universe can match his? Do you believe that statement is true? WTF was going on in that issue.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't accept it because it's not SHOWN ON PANEL. Do you understand? I don't accept it because greater than Odin/Seth have thrown down and not even a fraction of the crap the narrator said happened. I don't accept it because nothing higher in power level than the Silver Surfer even acknowledged it.

Was the Watcher asleep?

Your argument is based on the assumption that the narration lied to us multiple times. Silver Surfer lied to us. Doctor Strange lied to us. And Jean Grey lied to us. Your entire argument is based on incredible absurd view of things.

It's one thing arguing that you don't accept or like the feats. Trying to create an argument on the basis that it might not have happened when it clearly did is f*cking stupid and a waste of my time.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Cosmic Pantheon bum rushes Thanos with the IG and a few solar systems are wiped out.

Order, Chaos, Celestials, Galactus, Eon, Stranger, Love, Hate, and a few more I'm probably missing can't muster the same amount of power to "rock the multiverse" or even merely destroy a galaxy like Odin/Seth can?

Seth really believes no power in the Universe can match his? Do you believe that statement is true? WTF was going on in that issue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
STOP. Stop using that horribly fallacious logic.

I don't care if it proves Odin > TOAA. I don't give a shit that these feats make your vagina all sandy. I could care less if you accept it or not.

It however did happen. Directly stated and supported. On panel.

facepalm @ using common villain boasting as some sort of evidence.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your argument is based on the assumption that the narration lied to us multiple times. Silver Surfer lied to us. Doctor Strange lied to us. And Jean Grey lied to us. Your entire argument is based on incredible absurd view of things.

It's one thing arguing that you don't accept or like the feats. Trying to create an argument on the basis that it might not have happened when it clearly did is f*cking stupid and a waste of my time.

facepalm @ using common villain boasting as some sort of evidence.

They don't have to be lying, they can be mistaken. Why aren't any of the higher ups in the Cosmic Scheme of things commenting on the galaxy busting, multiverse shaking throw down. Usually at least a Watcher is keeping score of these types of things.

Beings whose power level makes Odin/Seth seem like insects haven't been shown doing what the narrator would have us believe (with no on panel collaboration by the way) Odin/Seth are doing INDIRECTLY (they weren't even trying to bust galaxies just square off).

In your opinion, who is more powerful than Odin, I just want to gauge how high you regard him :

the Phoenix Force
the Goblin Entity
any Celestial
fed Galactus
FP Tyrant
Order
Chaos
In-betweener
Zom
Infinity
Eternity
Death
Oblivion

You don't have to give me an explanation. Just tell me which, if any, beings on that list dwarf Odin in power.

So the rocking of the multiverse feat is being wanked again 😐. Team one wins

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