Cross Genre Match #13: Wonder Woman vs Bleach

Originally posted by marwash22
I'm being completely serious when i ask this: why is it nonsense? Carver and I have asked you peeps countless times to show us an example of WW using her speed in combat and you still haven't done so.

if she can do it, just show us and the "nonsense" can be put to rest. However, if you can't prove it, you need to stfu up with this "She speed blitzes them" assertion.

The only reason I am asking is because I know it doesnt exist. This has been an ongoing discussion since the beginning of KMC and no one has as of yet to prove it let alone prove that she can blitz or fight at the speed of light.

They use one scan as evidence (scan of her deflecting multiple shards) and that was done almost 16 years ago and it still has no bearing at her combating at the speed of light or even at the level of someone like Ichigo.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm going to break down every single solitary character's advantages and tell you why they do not work.

Szayel: While he does have some broken powers that may affect Wonder Woman, it really does not matter. Even compared to most other Espada, physically he is kind of shitty, Renji was able to cut him with his friggin Shikai for God's sakes. Wonder Woman has the strength necessary to paste him.

Ulquiorra: Possesses more punch than anyone here except Yamamoto. If he starts off in his second release form, he can fire an attack that is basically a javelin that explodes. Here is a scan of said explosion.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-364-page-9.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-364-page-10.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-364-page-11.html

Notice the incredibly shitty aim. That blast had about the power of a low yield nuke. Nothing Wonder Woman cannot handle... Or dodge. 😐 Also note Ulquiorra says he does not want it to go off near him, meaning it would at least harm him. He also cannot regen his brain. Which would be popped from a single punch from WW.

Starrk: Starrk's speed feat has already been posted, putting him in the mildly hypersonic level of speed. Other than that, he is not as notable, his power output is sufficient to bust a few city blocks, nothing else to really talk about.

Barragan: Ah, my favorite Espada. How sad to see you raped. 🙁 Barragan is pretty fast, though not as fast as Starrk, and pretty strong, able to casually crumble a building with a swing of his axe.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-11.html

Pretty strong, but nowhere near the same ballpark as WW.

His time dilation field has been brought up, well here it is.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-12.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-13.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-14.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-15.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-16.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-17.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-18.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-369-page-19.html

Notice how badass and manly he is, not that it will save him. Soifon's kick is slowed to a "crawl" when it nears Barragan. While it will surely affect WW, it is a no-limits fallacy to assume it will affect WW the same way it did Soifon, because WW is a great deal faster than anyone in Bleach. Also another ability shown here is that Barragan aged the bones in her arm by touch. Kinda means jackshit when your opponent is immortal. Same goes for his released version of it, where he breathes a gas that would age you until you are nothing but bones. Doesn't mean much when your opponent does not age. Barragan also shows some good speed, showing himself faster than Soifon, one of the fastest captains, but is not even a fraction of WW's speed.

Oh, and to address Marwash's claim that you cannot physically kill Barragan, that is a lie. Nothing proves that.

Mayuri: Lol. Mayuri is at standard one of the weakest captains. He is not very strong, kinda slow, and just poses no threat to her. WW punches her head off, and even if Mayuri uses the serum or whatever it was to survive the encounter, he will no longer be able to fight.

Tosen: Tosen has only one ability that even warrants mention. He can make a dome about fifty to a hundred feet in diameter, and in this dome only your sense of touch works. Will not be a threat to WW, with her reflexes she can easily do what Kenny did, the moment she feels Tosen's blade touch her, dodge the attack. WW is much faster than Kenpachi. Oh, and if he used this, none of his party would be able to do anything either, only Tosen will be able to effectively maneuver.

Yamamoto: Yama is powerful, to be sure, in the top three here. But he is too straightfoward and not strong enough to pose a threat. Yama is fast, faster than even Starrk probably, and pretty strong, as this scan shows.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-407-page-4.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-407-page-6.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-407-page-7.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-407-page-8.html

He was able to knock Wonderweiss a few city blocks away, and demolish a building in the process. WW has taken and done alot worse. Also note that is pretty much as powerful as a Shinigami gets, he was not joking when he said not one Shinigami born in the past thousand years was stronger than him.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-406-page-5.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-406-page-6.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-406-page-13.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-406-page-15.html

As these scans show, Yamamoto is capable of at least destroying several city blocks with those flames. Once again, nothing Diana cannot handle. Also note that was intended to be basically a suicide blast, though Aizen does say that it was sufficient to destroy the entire town, and Yamamoto was able to tank the attack when turned on him.

Tessai: ... Why the hell is this mother****er in this fight? We know hardly shit about what he is capable of. Ignoring.

Hachi: Meh. He can teleport shit in barriers and create barriers, and he sucks in melee. Nothing WW cannot easily dispatch, instantly.

Byakuya: He is pretty fast, slower than Starrk by a large margin I would wager though, he is nothing all that remarkable to be honest. Pretty straightforward in comparison.

Ichigo: He recently got a power boost, so I should probably cover that.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-430-page-15.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-430-page-16.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-430-page-17.html

It is hard to really quantify this feat, because I do not know exactly where they landed, but this is probably the best speed feat in Bleach, with Ichigo being the fastest character. Still, Diana has gone much faster.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-3.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-4.html

Aizen explains Ichigo's current state, basically he has turned himself into a purely physical powerhouse, meaning he does not get any of his ranged attacks... And by that I mean Getsuga Tensho. 😐

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-7.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-8.html

Ichigo destroyed a large hill with a slash of his sword. Not bad, but not gonna help him.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-11.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-12.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-13.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-14.html

This is actually a feat for Aizen, the force of his blow after being blocked by Ichigo crumbles the cliff behind him.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-16.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-17.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-18.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-431-page-19.html

Ichigo effortlessly smashes the Black Coffin Kido. Also, before any douche does anything like compare Black Coffin to a Black Hole, even individual atoms distort space/time, anything with mass does. Was just technobabble to sound cool.

Aizen: Since the hypnosis probably will not work on WW due to mental defenses, there is nothing else to really say here. I just posted alot of current Aizen's shit, none of it is sufficient to best WW.

Shunsui: I assume the children's game thing was already posted right? Shunsui is fast, about as fast as Starrk, and is durable enough to fight with Yamamoto for a short time, he is also pretty strong presumably. Nothing else to really talk about.

This post was mostly done to inform the people asking for Bleach scans some of Bleach's capabilities, which the Bleach supporters mostly neglected to show.

To be honest, this post is useless, considering WW CAN in fact kill them all before they can react.

Actually Aizen is only assuming that Ichigo only has physical strength since he is only using physical attacks. I doubt he has lost his spirit energy. I'm guessing he just see's no reason to use it, but we will have to wait and see later in the manga

I've also told carver that it isn't going to happen because, as far as I know, comic fights are not written the same way Bleach and DBZ fights are. I'll go back to the DBZ example because I know less about Bleach and frankly don't want to know more.

Carver has this idea that combat speeds are much faster than travel speed in DBZ when there is really no way at all to prove this. In fact, I recall someone saying that he had stated it simply looks faster. It's going to look like that, the stuff is over shorter distances.

The one difference I can see in the two speeds would be punches and kicks versus whole body movement. One of you admitted earlier than WW can fly at at least light speed. So now all she needs for you two is a movement of a limb.

I think Galvaclaw posted stuff pages ago. A lot of scans for her speed, go look at them. At least one has her moving her arms to block things with her bracers. I don't remember what they are, but on one panel she has maneuvered herself in a complete circle to block an attack aimed at someone else.

I also recall someone stating that she fought the Justice League blindfolded. Flash was among these.

Also, I doubt WW has to be able to throw punches and kicks at light speed to fight anything in Bleach.

<.< damn dude...why quote the whole thing if your only gonna respond to a small piece of it...

Uselessly making that post big

Originally posted by jltruth
Actually Aizen is only assuming that Ichigo only has physical strength since he is only using physical attacks. I doubt he has lost his spirit energy. I'm guessing he just see's no reason to use it, but we will have to wait and see later in the manga

What in the world? 😕

Originally posted by carver9

They use one scan as evidence (scan of her deflecting multiple shards) and that was done almost 16 years ago and it still has no bearing at her combating at the speed of light or even at the level of someone like Ichigo.

How about her catching Jesse Quick at the edge of the speed force? And she also dealt with Superman attacking at high speed in Sacrifice.

She blitzes reasonable often, like seen here lassoing Amazo before Amazo or Superman notice.

In fighting people at high speed, Diana's fought both Zoom and Wally and tagged them when they're moving at speed.

A non-combat one, she and Flash evacuate hundreds of people in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Etna
<.< damn dude...why quote the whole thing if your only gonna respond to a small piece of it...

Uselessly making that post big

I don't normally post anything, so I didn't know it would post the entire page....lol

Why are you saying what in the world carver9?

This shit is making my eyes bleed.

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've also told carver that it isn't going to happen because, as far as I know, comic fights are not written the same way Bleach and DBZ fights are. I'll go back to the DBZ example because I know less about Bleach and frankly don't want to know more.

Carver has this idea that combat speeds are much faster than travel speed in DBZ when there is really no way at all to prove this. In fact, I recall someone saying that he had stated it simply looks faster. It's going to look like that, the stuff is over shorter distances.

The one difference I can see in the two speeds would be punches and kicks versus whole body movement. One of you admitted earlier than WW can fly at at least light speed. So now all she needs for you two is a movement of a limb.

I think Galvaclaw posted stuff pages ago. A lot of scans for her speed, go look at them. At least one has her moving her arms to block things with her bracers. I don't remember what they are, but on one panel she has maneuvered herself in a complete circle to block an attack aimed at someone else.

I also recall someone stating that she fought the Justice League blindfolded. Flash was among these.

Also, I doubt WW has to be able to throw punches and kicks at light speed to fight anything in Bleach.

No, I didnt say that DBZ characters fight faster because of the way that it "looks" what I did say is that Wonder Woman has NEVER shown the ability to fight at continuous super speed like DBZ or move her limbs, body, along with doing other attacks while moving at super speed.

Wonder Woman isnt versatile when it comes to using her speed... she is either going to move her arms fast but the rest of her will remain visible, etc... She has no showings of moving everything at one in super speed mode and that is what I am asking for. Goku can punch fast while moving the rest of his body at tremendous speeds, along with avoid super speed punches, etc..

Wonder Woman also have never showed that she can fight at blinding speed. She is ALWAYS visible when fighting. No one has ever stated "where did she go... I cant see her... they are moving so fast".... NEVER. She doesnt have the ability... she is a brick with a dose of speed. Can she fly fast, SURE... not speed of light fast but she can fly fast. Can she move her limbs fast, SURE, Wolverine can do this along with Spiderman, so I know for a fact that Wonder Woman can also do this. Can she move ALL of her limbs fast during combat, NO, can she dodge at super speed, NO, can she do multiple attacks at super speed, hell no, has she ever been invisible to the necked eye while fighting, F*** no...

Bleach combat speed>Wonder Woman.... Goku combat speed>>>>>>Wonder Woman.

And you need to stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by jltruth
Why are you saying what in the world carver9?

Because you got online and posted something.

WOW

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Carver has this idea that combat speeds are much faster than travel speed

Don't give me that shit about comics not being written the same way manga is written. If Wonder Woman was capable of fighting at fast speeds, people who don't even come close to having have superspeed, would never be able to hit her. So unless you're claiming that her entire fight career in comics is just one giant instance of PIS, you're wrong and she isn't capable of doing it.

Wonder Woman has well above normal reflexes, she can fly at lightspeed, run ridiculously fast and can move her arms fast to deflect projectiles... none of that proves that she can fight at the speed of light or even close to it.

The only argument i've heard is that "WW Speedblitzes"... yes she does, if we disregard shunpo/sonido and the fact that all melee fighters in bleach have stupid fast combat speed of which no WW supporter has proven she can replicate.

Originally posted by marwash22
It's a HUGE friggin' difference.

Don't give me that shit about comics not being written the same way manga is written. If Wonder Woman was capable of fighting at fast speeds, people who don't even come close to having have superspeed, would never be able to hit her. So unless you're claiming that her entire fight career in comics is just one giant instance of PIS, you're wrong and she isn't capable of doing it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hello Carver 2.

Just because people have their own opinion doesnt mean that they are me. NUMEROUS of people have stated the same thing that he just said including one dumb and jinzin.

How about you post some proof of the opposite that he just said.

Originally posted by marwash22
It's a HUGE friggin' difference.

Don't give me that shit about comics not being written the same way manga is written. If Wonder Woman was capable of fighting at fast speeds, people who don't even come close to having have superspeed, would never be able to hit her. So unless you're claiming that her entire fight career in comics is just one giant instance of PIS, you're wrong and she isn't capable of doing it.

Except she's shown herself capable of very high combat speeds on multiple occasions.

Hey, Flash gets hit by stuff way slower than him all the time too, does that mean he can't do it?

It is PIS, one of the most common types. Everyone fights close to their opponent's speed most of the time for some reason.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hello Carver 2.

anyhow, how 'bout showing those scans instead of insulting people?

Originally posted by Q99
Except she's shown herself capable of very high combat speeds on multiple occasions.

Yep, i sort of agree. You are all acting childish. I wish Rexxxx was here.

Originally posted by carver9
No, I didnt say that DBZ characters fight faster because of the way that it "looks" what I did say is that Wonder Woman has NEVER shown the ability to fight at continuous super speed like DBZ or move her limbs, body, along with doing other attacks while moving at super speed.

Not talking about right now in this thread. The DBZ stuff was an example, so quit harping on it.

Moving arms and whole body at the same time is a basic multitasking ability. You know normal humans can do this, correct? Wonder Woman has displayed super speed with both the whole body and limbs. It is not a large leap of logic to assume she can do so.

But you know, you're assuming this is going to play out like a Bleach fight would. Since WW is faster, she could just punch them before they even start this junk.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman isnt versatile when it comes to using her speed... she is either going to move her arms fast but the rest of her will remain visible, etc... She has no showings of moving everything at one in super speed mode and that is what I am asking for. Goku can punch fast while moving the rest of his body at tremendous speeds, along with avoid super speed punches, etc..

See above.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman also have never showed that she can fight at blinding speed. She is ALWAYS visible when fighting. No one has ever stated "where did she go... I cant see her... they are moving so fast".... NEVER. She doesnt have the ability... she is a brick with a dose of speed. Can she fly fast, SURE... not speed of light fast but she can fight fast. Can she move her limbs fast, SURE, Wolverine can do this along with Spiderman, so I know for a fact that Wonder Woman can also do this. Can she move ALL of her limbs fast during combat, NO, can she dodge at super speed, NO, can she do multiple attacks at super speed, hell no, has she ever been invisible to the necked eye while fighting, F*** no...

Quite incorrect. There are different ways artists draw super speed. In Bleach and DBZ they draw lines until the character disappears and reappears, in American comics a trend to me appears to be simply drawing an effect of after images or just flatout multiples of the character with a trail connecting them to show the movement.

Of course, you could also look at that last scan where she drew her lasso and roped Amazo before he even noticed. So, she has never displayed that ability?

You're just being ridiculous now.

Originally posted by carver9
Bleach combat speed>Wonder Woman.... Goku combat speed>>>>>>Wonder Woman.

And you need to stop putting words in my mouth.

Baseless claim is baseless.

I've only seen WW flight speed, running speed, and deflecting speed. I've yet to see anything that shows her fighting using super speed and I don't mean speed blitzing, because that's basically flying or running in a straight line.