Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.
Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)?
More to the speed thing: WW, for as fast as she is (slying or running or deflecting), she can't stop on a dime and change her path in the same manner bleach character's can when they use Shunpo/Sonido/the other one Quincy's use.
There's a good chance I'm wrong, if so... why can't you just show me a scan so we can get past it? Is it that, in the character's long history, it's never been show, so you're just assuming she can?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds an awful like the powerscaling thing you peeps call Carver out on for doing when DBZ is the topic. If she's never done it, she can't do it and that's not even Appeal to ignorance, because there's isn't even anything to suggest she can do it.
Originally posted by illadelph12Other than...
Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)?
-Ulquiorra throwing javelin-nukes.
-Stark shooting machine gun blast with the destructive power of dynamite.
-Baraggan spreading mist around the battlefield that ages you.
-Ichigo shooting Tenshou's that can cut through buildings.
-Szayel spraying the field with goo that creates clones of you.
-Tosen creating sound that knocks you unconcious.
We haven't even addressed Tessai and Hachi who have kido capable to restraining class 100's with ease.
or
Aizen who just needs to draw his sword and place her under hypnosis that phucks with her senses to the point where he can literally make her believe anything is real.
Originally posted by illadelph12They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport. The fastest Bleach characters are hypersonic, and not by a very high margin. Ichigo, currently the fastest Bleach character, was able to go the length of half a town or so in a few seconds, while fast, it's laughable compared to Diana.
Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)?
The two greatest instances of power output are from Ulquiorra, who could use what was basically a low-yield nuke, although he was also incredibly inaccurate with it, according to his own words, and Yamamoto, who could apparently destroy a town.
Most Bleach character's are pretty straight-forward in ability, Shunsui with his shadow/children's game crap is an exception, but he will be dead immediately.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not a Surfer fan either, per se, I just hate the reasoning people try to use to justify things.Which is part of the reason I don't debate as actively as I did a few years back. I realized that whether it makes sense or not, people will stick to it to defend their dog in a fight.
The thing is, that was a one time showing and there is no telling how fast the shards were going by the time it reached her. Was the shard that Ichigo slapping out of the air going as fast as the shards Wonder Woman was slapping, we really dont know but if we look at consistency, Ichigo speed>>>Wonder Womans combat wise.
Flight vs Combat speed, two different things if you ask me. If this person is so fast like people are saying that they are, why is it so difficult for you all to find a combat scenerio proving this?
Originally posted by carver9
What makes Wonder Woman tagging Flash any different than Deathstroke tagging flash, Grundy tagging Flash, Nightwing tagging Flash, Darkseid tagging Flash, etc...Everyone that I named has a dose of super speed. You cant choose a feat for one person and discredit it for others.
You can if it's inconsistent. and no, they all don't.
Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, this whole combat speed vs. travel speed thing is ridiculous. If a person can move their body in any direction and maneuver around obstacles in their path with pinpoint precision at C, chances are they can dodge an attacker coming at them.I see that argument used against Surfer all the time and it makes me want to throw up.
common sense aint that common, etc.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not a Surfer fan either, per se, I just hate the reasoning people try to use to justify things.Which is part of the reason I don't debate as actively as I did a few years back. I realized that whether it makes sense or not, people will stick to it to defend their dog in a fight.
liar. i remember you going on and on about him on msn lol...
Originally posted by NemeBro
They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport. The fastest Bleach characters are hypersonic, and not by a very high margin. Ichigo, currently the fastest Bleach character, was able to go the length of half a town or so in a few seconds, while fast, it's laughable compared to Diana.The two greatest instances of power output are from Ulquiorra, who could use what was basically a low-yield nuke, although he was also incredibly inaccurate with it, according to his own words, and Yamamoto, who could apparently destroy a town.
Most Bleach character's are pretty straight-forward in ability, Shunsui with his shadow/children's game crap is an exception, but he will be dead immediately.
LOL at how you find these caculations for these characters speed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You can if it's inconsistent. and no, they all don't.common sense aint that common, etc.
liar. i remember you going on and on about him on msn lol...
But the scans that you all showed was consistent at all since she was getting blitzed constantly by the flashes. She didnt keep up with them, she timed her attack just like everyone else that goes against the flashes does.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Can someone just post the best Bleach speed feat with some measure of calculation attached to it so we can put this to rest, please?
This is the hard part...
No character minus flash has any caculations towards their speed during combat. Everything that we have said about each character on this forum has basically been nothing but speculation.
Originally posted by NemeBroIt's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B.
They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport.
Originally posted by marwash22
It's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B.
Originally posted by illadelph12
It would be when you consider that when a person is flying, depending on the angle of the sun, the side of their body opposite the sun, which has the light to obstructed by their own mass, becomes shaded.That could be an avenue of attack depending on how this power works.
Originally posted by King KandyPerhaps you misunderstood. You cannot touch someone while they are in Shunpo, when Flash runs, you can touch him before he gets to his destination...
That's just not true, at all. Shunpo is just a way of using Reiryoku to do brief acceleration that is too fast to see. In no way is it equivalent to teleportation, or do you "skip" any space other than taking fewer steps.
i don't know how to say it clearer than that.
Originally posted by King KandyMaybe. But he can still put his sword through the shawdow.
I think the shadow actually has to be of near-human size for him to emerge from it, not just any little bit of shade.
Originally posted by carver9I could not help but notice your intelligently presented response to my post.
LOL at how you find these caculations for these characters speed.
Starrk's speed feat that was posted is probably the best in the series, and going by that he would only be mach 10, though this is just a guesstimation, not gonna calc it myself.
Guess what though? My "guesstimation" is still much more valid than you saying "It's faster cause of how it looks." 🙂
Originally posted by marwash22I'd love to see you prove this statement which has never been so much as alluded to, considering we have seen people cut off in Shunpo.
It's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B.
Originally posted by marwash22
Perhaps you misunderstood. You cannot touch someone while they are in Shunpo, when Flash runs, you can touch him before he gets to his destination...i don't know how to say it clearer than that.
Here, an Arrancar uses Sonido. But because Uryu is just as fast as he is, they both seem to be running normally to eachother. Therefore Shunpo/Sonido is NOT teleportation in any sense.
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-10.jpg.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-11.jpg.php
Originally posted by NemeBrohe didn't cut them off, he caught up to them. No one has ever grabbed/attacked another character while in the middle of a flash step.
Yamamoto was able to cut Shunsui and Ukitake off if I recall right.
Originally posted by NemeBrolike what?
Not that it matters, alot of your claims sound like shit you've made up.
