Originally posted by Damborgson
the 5 decades or so that aren't avengers assemble or AvX will though. Yes, a melee will result with Thor being turned into a stain sooner than later, but only if he chooses to. If Thor fights smart, Hulks chances drop tremendously. To the point where it favors Thor.@stoic btw
Thor has always fought the Hulk the same way, he also fought Tutinax in a similar way. This is because the guys that fight him in these ways bring the fight to him, which does not allow for him to pull off his hammer magic, or any of his other high end tricks. If Thor could not outright defeat the Hulk on his lower levels, how in the world is he supposed to win against the Hulk while he is hundreds of times stronger at the very least? The Hulk would only require one hit or two at the most and it would be all over. You can only use that if he fights smart so many times until you have to come to a realization, that he was fighting smart, he was just fighting a guy, that despite his large size, he's actually fast enough to turn a battle with Thor into a brawl. What else can the Hulk do but get in close? This would be his main goal. Thor will of course oblige as usual, and realize only too late, that this was not the average Hulk that he is used to fighting, right before the darkness comes to claim him. It's only logical.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor has always fought the Hulk the same way, he also fought Tutinax in a similar way. This is because the guys that fight him in these ways bring the fight to him, which does not allow for him to pull off his hammer magic, or any of his other high end tricks. If Thor could not outright defeat the Hulk on his lower levels, how in the world is he supposed to win against the Hulk while he is hundreds of times stronger at the very least? The Hulk would only require one hit or two at the most and it would be all over. You can only use that if he fights smart so many times until you have to come to a realization, that he was fighting smart, he was just fighting a guy, that despite his large size, he's actually fast enough to turn a battle with Thor into a brawl. What else can the Hulk do but get in close? This would be his main goal. Thor will of course oblige as usual, and realize only too late, that this was not the average Hulk that he is used to fighting, right before the darkness comes to claim him. It's only logical.
By fighting smart I mean not melee against someone who is vastly physically superior.
Thor has plenty of options. If Thor goes into the air, the fight is over. Hulk isn't faster by leaping than Thor is maneuvering. Thor can range spam him, rip that nice glowing gamma energy out of him via a power sapping whirl wind or though Mjolnir, use lightning many times more powerful than the savage Hulk dropper, etc. The Hulk wins unquestionably in a physical matchup, but that will only happen if Thor is burdened with CIS. He's not a retard. He knows that a glowing gamma monster that shakes cities by taking steps is not savage Hulk. They've met before.
Originally posted by Damborgson
By fighting smart I mean not melee against someone who is vastly physically superior.Thor has plenty of options. If Thor goes into the air, the fight is over. Hulk isn't faster by leaping than Thor is maneuvering. Thor can range spam him, rip that nice glowing gamma energy out of him via a power sapping whirl wind or though Mjolnir, use lightning many times more powerful than the savage Hulk dropper, etc. The Hulk wins unquestionably in a physical matchup, but that will only happen if Thor is burdened with CIS. He's not a retard. He knows that a glowing gamma monster that shakes cities by taking steps is not savage Hulk. They've met before.
It has been proven that ripping the gamma out of the Hulk will not work. At least not while he is in WB mode. Arm'Cheddon proves this.
Shooting him with borrowed gamma rays will only enhance him further, as seen when FFF launched gamma warheads at him, so this will not work.
Having the ability to fly will come too late due to Thor not knowing exactly how powerful this version of the Hulk is, and will likely go head to head with him.
Thor has hit the Hulk with lightning in the past, and it did not put him down, or out, and again that was the Hulk at a much lower level of resistance, and durability.
Tornadoes and heavy winds will only work as long as the Hulk remains top side, and we all know how well the Hulk can tunnel underground.
Thor will always mix it up, because of his warrior code. When he does, and we all know he will, this is when he will lose. In character Thor will lose to WB Hulk. All of this flying around and stuff? Cmon man, he didn't do this when he fought Nul, and he won't do this when he fights WB Hulk.
Originally posted by Stoic
It has been proven that ripping the gamma out of the Hulk will not work. At least not while he is in WB mode. Arm'Cheddon proves this.Shooting him with borrowed gamma rays will only enhance him further, as seen when FFF launched gamma warheads at him, so this will not work.
Having the ability to fly will come too late due to Thor not knowing exactly how powerful this version of the Hulk is, and will likely go head to head with him.
Thor has hit the Hulk with lightning in the past, and it did not put him down, or out, and again that was the Hulk at a much lower level of resistance, and durability.
Tornadoes and heavy winds will only work as long as the Hulk remains top side, and we all know how well the Hulk can tunnel underground.
Thor will always mix it up, because of his warrior code. When he does, and we all know he will, this is when he will lose. In character Thor will lose to WB Hulk. All of this flying around and stuff? Cmon man, he didn't do this when he fought Nul, and he won't do this when he fights WB Hulk.
Someone who isn't on Thor's level of energy absorption doesn't prove no one can do it. If anything can, the hammer that can absorb galaxy busters will do it.
It won't be gamma energy when he shoots it back. It'll be magic.
Again, depending on Thor just deciding to brawl.
Not with anything worth mentioning though. I think it's fair to agree that Thor can pack a lot more power than what it took to KO savage Hulk.
So Thor won't fly but the Hulk will tunnel through the ground to avoid a tornado? Which can uproot the ground so easily it'd be funny to watch?
It's a forum match though. Not a comic book. And I think it's fair to use Thor fighting smart no? It's not like I'm using super degenerate CIS off Thor who would just pick Hulk up in a whirl wind then hit him with a godblast and end it.
But I already said that Thor will lose in a physical match up. That being said, he loses only if he chooses to.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Someone who isn't on Thor's level of energy absorption doesn't prove no one can do it. If anything can, the hammer that can absorb galaxy busters will do it.It won't be gamma energy when he shoots it back. It'll be magic.
Again, depending on Thor just deciding to brawl.
Not with anything worth mentioning though. I think it's fair to agree that Thor can pack a lot more power than what it took to KO savage Hulk.
So Thor won't fly but the Hulk will tunnel through the ground to avoid a tornado? Which can uproot the ground so easily it'd be funny to watch?
It's a forum match though. Not a comic book. And I think it's fair to use Thor fighting smart no? It's not like I'm using super degenerate CIS off Thor who would just pick Hulk up in a whirl wind then hit him with a godblast and end it.
But I already said that Thor will lose in a physical match up. That being said, he loses only if he chooses to.
The energy drain will work, but it will not depower the Hulk, he will continue to amp at will. This was shown a few times from Planet Hulk up until the HOTM event. Either way, this is not something that either of us can prove with 100% certainty, so we should move on.
Thor has shot the Hulk with magical lightning in the past, and the Hulk has resisted it, like when he did in the arctic when Thor fought the Merged Hulk, who was also far inferior to WB Hulk. Thor was not playing around in that fight either.
Thor decided to brawl, because the guy that he was fighting had tremendous burst speeds, which is why Thor could not pull off anything special, because he was not given the precious moments to.
The Savage Hulk was nothing in comparison to WB Hulk. The Savage Hulk could not even beat up Wendigo convincingly, so we can forget about him even coming close to the 50 foot tall Wendigo that was tossed around in Nevada. Rulk with his Loeb powers was beaten by far less than the Hulk when he was in the Dark Dimension. All of those villains that were in HOTM could give Merged Hulk a fight, and Arm'Cheddon would have actually beat him. Look at how easily WB Hulk destroyed him.
Thor is not fighting stupid, when he does not pour on the juice while he is getting into it up close with a guy that is fast enough to stay in his face, and turn the fight into a brawl. It would be logical to even come to the conclusion that if WB Hulk hit Thor hard enough that he could jar that Hammer out of his hand. He would certainly be strong enough to make Thor once again beat himself up while holding the hammer like a weaker version of the Hulk did. And the crazy thing here, is that WB Hulk was very intelligent, unlike the Hulk that did come up with the idea of bashing Thor's face in while he held the hammer.
This fighting with smarts will only work if Thor decides to remain in the sky, and does not engage. We both know that the Hulk will call him a coward, and Thor's warrior spirit will overcome him.
Thor's only means of winning would be through BFR, like he did with Nul.
A giant lightning bolt like he used against Chaos King, or a godblast like he used on Zeila, or just destroys the Earth and leaves the Hulk floating in space helplessly, or drains the gamma radiation from him like Tony's satellites....if Thor uses his powers with ANY intelligence whatsoever he wins. If he fights like Thor, he loses.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
A giant lightning bolt like he used against Chaos King, or a godblast like he used on Zeila, or just destroys the Earth and leaves the Hulk floating in space helplessly, or drains the gamma radiation from him like Tony's satellites....if Thor uses his powers with ANY intelligence whatsoever he wins. If he fights like Thor, he loses.
Energy drain isn't working and Hulk would have to stand completely still for any of these other moves to work on him. Thor has no chance in hell at beating this Hulk, no matter how much you dislike the character. One punch is all it would take to end this fight and thinking Hulk wouldn't be able to land this blow is ludicrous. WBH stomps 10/10 and with ease.
Originally posted by carver9
This is freaking hilarious. Thor doesn't stand a chance in hell against this Hulk. It's retarded this lasted 4 pages.
I know why this thread lasted this long. It's because it was created before HOTM. It was created in response to WWH stepping feat. Now from HOTM we see clearly Thor has no chance unless he fights extremely out of character. So again this thread shouldn't last to much longer. If it does then I wonder how long would Pre-boot Superman vs. WBH last.
Originally posted by Stoic
The energy drain will work, but it will not depower the Hulk, he will continue to amp at will. This was shown a few times from Planet Hulk up until the HOTM event. Either way, this is not something that either of us can prove with 100% certainty, so we should move on.Thor has shot the Hulk with magical lightning in the past, and the Hulk has resisted it, like when he did in the arctic when Thor fought the Merged Hulk, who was also far inferior to WB Hulk. Thor was not playing around in that fight either.
Thor decided to brawl, because the guy that he was fighting had tremendous burst speeds, which is why Thor could not pull off anything special, because he was not given the precious moments to.
The Savage Hulk was nothing in comparison to WB Hulk. The Savage Hulk could not even beat up Wendigo convincingly, so we can forget about him even coming close to the 50 foot tall Wendigo that was tossed around in Nevada. Rulk with his Loeb powers was beaten by far less than the Hulk when he was in the Dark Dimension. All of those villains that were in HOTM could give Merged Hulk a fight, and Arm'Cheddon would have actually beat him. Look at how easily WB Hulk destroyed him.
Thor is not fighting stupid, when he does not pour on the juice while he is getting into it up close with a guy that is fast enough to stay in his face, and turn the fight into a brawl. It would be logical to even come to the conclusion that if WB Hulk hit Thor hard enough that he could jar that Hammer out of his hand. He would certainly be strong enough to make Thor once again beat himself up while holding the hammer like a weaker version of the Hulk did. And the crazy thing here, is that WB Hulk was very intelligent, unlike the Hulk that did come up with the idea of bashing Thor's face in while he held the hammer.
This fighting with smarts will only work if Thor decides to remain in the sky, and does not engage. We both know that the Hulk will call him a coward, and Thor's warrior spirit will overcome him.
Thor's only means of winning would be through BFR, like he did with Nul.
Why wouldn't it? Mjolnir has feats to spare with absorption. Hulk's radiating absorbable gamma energy. There is no reason Thor wouldn't depower him with Mjolnir.
He was a weakened mortal in that fight. And that bolt still wasn't worth shit compared to what he's unleashed before.
He did it so the comic would last. Thor doesn't need precious moments to take to the sky. It's not with the destroyer where he was forced to take a direct hit first. He swings his arm and he's in the sky.
I agree. The difference is power is substantial at the lowest. But the gap in between a brawling Thor, and a Thor who uses his powers to their fullest is larger imo.
Stoic...cmon man. If you're taking let the battle begin seriously then we might as well use Thor beating savage Hulk and thing to death with an arm and and eye missing as well.
Or he throws Mjolnir at him with enough power to harm abstracts...
No. Thor has plenty of means of winning. His only means of losing is brawling tbh. Which like I said, if he did, he would be quickly put down.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
A giant lightning bolt like he used against Chaos King, or a godblast like he used on Zeila, or just destroys the Earth and leaves the Hulk floating in space helplessly, or drains the gamma radiation from him like Tony's satellites....if Thor uses his powers with ANY intelligence whatsoever he wins. If he fights like Thor, he loses.
Thor wouldn't blow up a planet to beat the Hulk though lol. But yes he has more than enough resources to beat him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Does Thor have the powers and abilities needed to beat Hulk? Of course he does; just look at all of his fights through out the decades.The only real issue is if he fights in character, which is going to happen versus Hulk.
With that said, forum rules state that Thor will fight in character. So he loses. There's nothing more to be said to save him here. This thread should be closed. Do you agree?
A better thread would be Thor (CIS off but no bfr) vs. WBH.