Originally posted by carver9
All of that didn't happen back to back, crazy.
Oh. OK. So he hurt (or affected) Galactus, but passed out from BFRing Hulk, but with the same wound? Or would you say, the wound was festering, so as time went on, it weakened him further?
Because if its the same wound, and he passed out from fighting Nul but not curbing Surfer/fighting Galactus.....then Nul>Galactus.
Hmmm.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. OK. So he hurt (or affected) Galactus, but passed out from BFRing Hulk, but with the same wound? Or would you say, the wound was festering, so as time went on, it weakened him further?
No, he used more power against Hulk to accomplish his ft because he knew he couldn't beat him (from Thor own mouth).
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
Him admitting that he couldn't beat Hulk and never could made it more concrete.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. OK. So he hurt (or affected) Galactus, but passed out from BFRing Hulk, but with the same wound? Or would you say, the wound was festering, so as time went on, it weakened him further?
yes the wound was getting worse over time. Thor said the pain grew as time went on.
^ He was hurt, and it's logical to think that his wound had further degraded his condition, but at the same time, it can not be ignored that Thor has gone at it with the Hulk in the past, and in a few of those fights, he wasn't holding back. That was also a Hulk at a far lower level of power. Now if Thor had that much trouble with a Hulk that could not convincingly defeat Wendigo, or Bi-Beast, and was defeated by Arm'Cheddon's son Trauma who happened to be inferior to his father, what does that say about Thor's chances of drawing even when he would fight the Hulk in character? He'd lose right?
Originally posted by Stoic
^ He was hurt, and it's logical to think that his wound had further degraded his condition, but at the same time, it can not be ignored that Thor has gone at it with the Hulk in the past, and in a few of those fights, he wasn't holding back. That was also a Hulk at a far lower level of power. Now if Thor had that much trouble with a Hulk that could not convincingly defeat Wendigo, or Bi-Beast, and was defeated by Arm'Cheddon's son Trauma who happened to be inferior to his father, what does that say about Thor's chances of drawing even when he would fight the Hulk in character? He'd lose right?
If he chose to fight hand to hammer so that the Hulk could win yes, hulk would win. Not if he fought with the best of his ability though.
Originally posted by Stoic
^ He was hurt, and it's logical to think that his wound had further degraded his condition, but at the same time, it can not be ignored that Thor has gone at it with the Hulk in the past, and in a few of those fights, he wasn't holding back. That was also a Hulk at a far lower level of power. Now if Thor had that much trouble with a Hulk that could not convincingly defeat Wendigo, or Bi-Beast, and was defeated by Arm'Cheddon's son Trauma who happened to be inferior to his father, what does that say about Thor's chances of drawing even when he would fight the Hulk in character? He'd lose right?
He would, but again, this ignores the opinion that Thor, knowing that he couldn't beat a weaker Hulk (Nul), and being buffeted by the energies coming off WBH, would just BFR him. I mean, these two have tangoed long enough to know what's what.
If it was a comic, and they had to fight for more than a few panels, then yes, Thor and WBH would duke it out, and yes, Thor would lose horribly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, right, I see. Didn't quite see where Thor said that he used more power than against Big G, but I guess it was off-comic.So he put in less effort, and affected G, but in you opinion, the gash in his side didn't affect him in any way?
Uuuummm, its pretty obvious. He was glowing like a freaking Super Saiyan before hitting Hulk and had a big, Chaos King Blast after the attack, along with enough energy that laid waste to a city block. He just flew into Galactus which is completely different than what he did against Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, right, I see. Didn't quite see where Thor said that he used more power than against Big G, but I guess it was off-comic.So he put in less effort, and affected G, but in you opinion, the gash in his side didn't affect him in any way?
I said that his condition had degraded his condition from the time that he initially received it from whatever that organism was that gave it to him. But we can not forget his past wars with the Hulk in the past can we? Nor can we ignore the fact that he had grown so powerful that guys that used to give him a hard time could not affect him with any of their assaults.
Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, its pretty obvious. He was glowing like a freaking Super Saiyan before hitting Hulk and had a big, Chaos King Blast after the attack, along with enough energy that laid waste to a city block. He just flew into Galactus which is completely different than what he did against Hulk.
It was when you joined the two sentences together to make it seem like it came from Thor's own mouth, that's all.
Originally posted by Stoic
I said that his condition had degraded his condition from the time that he initially received it from whatever that organism was that gave it to him. But we can not forget his past wars with the Hulk in the past can we? Nor can we ignore the fact that he had grown so powerful that guys that used to give him a hard time could not affect him with any of their assaults.
Soz, that was in reply to carver. I really should start quoting more...
Originally posted by Damborgson
If he chose to fight hand to hammer so that the Hulk could win yes, hulk would win. Not if he fought with the best of his ability though.
Thor always fights this way when his opponent is up close and personal. He has done this so many times that no one can place the "He was not fighting smart sticker" on him. The Hulk isn't slow by any stretch, and he has always managed to close the distance between himself and Thor. Thor may be able to win if he decided to fight like a pansy, and flew off every time that the Hulk drew in close, but he would never ignore the Hulk's taunts. It's not in his character to be called a coward, and not step up to the plate. This isn't Thor how we want him to fight, but Thor in character.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor always fights this way when his opponent is up close and personal. He has done this so many times that no one can place the "He was not fighting smart sticker" on him. The Hulk isn't slow by any stretch, and he has always managed to close the distance between himself and Thor. Thor may be able to win if he decided to fight like a pansy, and flew off every time that the Hulk drew in close, but he would never ignore the Hulk's taunts. It's not in his character to be called a coward, and not step up to the plate. This isn't Thor how we want him to fight, but Thor in character.
Of course someone can. Let's not pretend here that Thor using his reality warping weapon as a club against someone who is limited to physical combat is anything but cis to make the comic last longer. Of course Thor gets horribly wrecked if he goes up against someone of WBH's strength caliber as if he were savage Hulk. He'd be killed sooner than later. But that will only happen if he chooses to.
His storms wreck planets while being in different realities. If he chooses to stop the melee, he will win. There is no question.
If it was Thor vs Juggernaut (Cain), would Thor try to go up close and personal, or would he use BFR, knowing who the Juggernaut is?
And especially as Thor KNOWS, and from carver's scan (thanks carver), acknowledges, that he cannot beat Hulk without BFR - WHY would he try to go up against an even more powerful foe than the one he couldn't beat?
The Hulk's punches wrecked planets without actually hitting the planet, so I doubt that very strong winds will do anything outside of BFRing the Hulk. His only chance at a win will be by BFR, because I have yet to see Thor bring the Hulk at this level down with a lightning strike. Other things have to also be considered here, such as the Hulk logical scientific mind, and ability to use area assaults, or terrain to his advantage. The Hulk's only chance is to get close enough to Thor, and this is something that he will be thinking on until he is able to get within reach. If this happens then it is over. I can see your point, so don't think that I can't. If Thor manages to keep the Hulk away from him, he would win. This however would be very difficult for him to do. The Hulk at his more common showings can leap at mach 4-5 due to the strength in his legs alone, so it is completely logical, that if his legs are stronger, that he would be able to attain speeds equal to his increase in leg strength. Moving several times the speed of a bullet is pretty hard to move out of the way of.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If it was Thor vs Juggernaut (Cain), would Thor try to go up close and personal, or would he use BFR, knowing who the Juggernaut is?And especially as Thor KNOWS, and from carver's scan (thanks carver), acknowledges, that he cannot beat Hulk without BFR - WHY would he try to go up against an even more powerful foe than the one he couldn't beat?
Thor could not ever know how strong the Hulk was from one moment to the next though, as his strength is not a constant. How in the world would he know what this world breaker strength was until impact? He wouldn't.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk's punches wrecked planets without actually hitting the planet, so I doubt that very strong winds will do anything outside of BFRing the Hulk. His only chance at a win will be by BFR, because I have yet to see Thor bring the Hulk at this level down with a lightning strike. Other things have to also be considered here, such as the Hulk logical scientific mind, and ability to use area assaults, or terrain to his advantage. The Hulk's only chance is to get close enough to Thor, and this is something that he will be thinking on until he is able to get within reach. If this happens then it is over. I can see your point, so don't think that I can't. If Thor manages to keep the Hulk away from him, he would win. This however would be very difficult for him to do. The Hulk at his more common showings can leap at mach 4-5 due to the strength in his legs alone, so it is completely logical, that if his legs are stronger, that he would be able to attain speeds equal to his increase in leg strength. Moving several times the speed of a bullet is pretty hard to move out of the way of.
That compares to devastating planets while being in another dimension? They'd rough him up something fierce. Same with the ones used on Glory.
Thor has more than lighting at this disposal though. And Hulk hasn't felt Thor's best either.
ok good to know we're on the same page 👆
Hulk can jump as fast he wants, but Thor is more maneuverable than Hulk is quick imo. and a jump at that speed would result with Hulk either being exposed or going off planet. Something I wouldn't think Banner of doing.
CIS isnt indicated to be off in this fight from what ive seen so basically Thor gets annihilated....in very few hits. Prior to BFring Hulk Thor will at least mix it up a bit and test the waters. That is all that will be needed for WBH to tag him once or twice and end this fight. Even a thunderclap would do serious damage to Thor (and likely ko him) as we would be talking about a thunderclap that would be enormously greater than the one used to lay out a Rulk highly amped of WWHs energies.
