Originally posted by Damborgson
That compares to devastating planets while being in another dimension? They'd rough him up something fierce. Same with the ones used on Glory.Thor has more than lighting at this disposal though. And Hulk hasn't felt Thor's best either.
ok good to know we're on the same page 👆
Hulk can jump as fast he wants, but Thor is more maneuverable than Hulk is quick imo. and a jump at that speed would result with Hulk either being exposed or going off planet. Something I wouldn't think Banner of doing.
The Hulk can change direction in mid leap, and by the time you hear the bang of a bullet you are already hit. The Hulk would by logic, be traveling at a rate of speed that would be greater than any bullet., so there is a very good chance that he would actually reach Thor. Let's face it though, Thor would fight him on a physical level, because that's what Thor does. This is even more true when the Hulk spouts words like coward, and you're too afraid to come down here and face me. Anti blasts, and G blasts are certainly a possibility, but there is no proof that these would stop the Hulk at this level, and soul destroy took him time when he did this to Loki as he had to pray or invoke the power. This is time that he would not be given unless this was some sort of DBZ scene.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he can see (or at least, feel) the insane amounts of herald melting energy rolling off WBH, right? I'm not saying Thor just tanks it, but he'd be able to feel the sheer power coming off WBH.
Sorry about that man, I gotta crash early day and all. If Thor sensed this he would likely just say screw this, and say your outta here, as he sends him to whatever realm he so chose.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk can change direction in mid leap, and by the time you hear the bang of a bullet you are already hit. The Hulk would by logic, be traveling at a rate of speed that would be greater than any bullet., so there is a very good chance that he would actually reach Thor. Let's face it though, Thor would fight him on a physical level, because that's what Thor does. This is even more true when the Hulk spouts words like coward, and you're too afraid to come down here and face me. Anti blasts, and G blasts are certainly a possibility, but there is no proof that these would stop the Hulk at this level, and soul destroy took him time when he did this to Loki as he had to pray or invoke the power. This is time that he would not be given unless this was some sort of DBZ scene.
...how does that work? If Thor evades to the side, hulk will need to do a 90 degree or sharper change to get to him.
Bullets aren't big shakes to Thor. Nor thank shells, missiles or any other human weaponry really. The chances of Thor getting hit by a jumping Hulk are less than Thor simply side stepping him.
Or it pisses Thor off so much he throws his hammer at him with enough power to harm abstracts. *shrug*
The godblast would one shot kill Hulk. Lets not get crazy here. the weakest being it crippled was substantially > Odin.
It took him only a couple words for the soul destroying to work. But thats something he'd use even less than the godblast in character.
Originally posted by Damborgson
...how does that work? If Thor evades to the side, hulk will need to do a 90 degree or sharper change to get to him.Bullets aren't big shakes to Thor. Nor thank shells, missiles or any other human weaponry really. The chances of Thor getting hit by a jumping Hulk are less than Thor simply side stepping him.
Or it pisses Thor off so much he throws his hammer at him with enough power to harm abstracts. *shrug*
The godblast would one shot kill Hulk. Lets not get crazy here. the weakest being it crippled was substantially > Odin.
It took him only a couple words for the soul destroying to work. But thats something he'd use even less than the godblast in character.
Thunderclaps have been used in the past to slow and allow him to change direction. This was done by a really stupid Hulk as well.
The Hulk uses strength to leap at speeds as great as bullets, so it would be logical that he would be able to leap at even greater speeds if he possessed even greater strength.
Thor has tossed his hammer at the Hulk before, and he wasn't playing around, and this did not put the Hulk out. He just came back for more.
I have never seen the G Blast put the Hulk down, but I know that Cain laughed it off, so there is a great chance that the Hulk would survive it, despite it having hurt a being of greater stature than Cain.
Words that he would not have the time to say. This is why he does not use his most exotic moves in a fight, because the guys that he is fighting are actually fast enough to reach at speeds greater than sound. Well anyways, I gotta crash man. Another time.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thunderclaps have been used in the past to slow and allow him to change direction. This was done by a really stupid Hulk as well.The Hulk uses strength to leap at speeds as great as bullets, so it would be logical that he would be able to leap at even greater speeds if he possessed even greater strength.
Thor has tossed his hammer at the Hulk before, and he wasn't playing around, and this did not put the Hulk out. He just came back for more.
I have never seen the G Blast put the Hulk down, but I know that Cain laughed it off, so there is a great chance that the Hulk would survive it, despite it having hurt a being of greater stature than Cain.
Words that he would not have the time to say. This is why he does not use his most exotic moves in a fight, because the guys that he is fighting are actually fast enough to reach at speeds greater than sound. Well anyways, I gotta crash man. Another time.
Thor flying still seems more likely than Hulk thunderclapping his way into Thor.
Which would launch him off planet before they hit Thor.
Thor can toss it a lot harder than when he's tossed it at Hulk before. Ask Phoenix Force.
That Thor was so weak he could barely lift a house. And Cain had his shields, which even then didn't let him laugh anything off since Thor overpowered his enchantment with the weakest G blast ever performed due to his weakness at the time. It was a testament to Juggy's shields. The Hulk will be blown to bits.
Nor would he. Masterson Thor resulted because Thor broke the code of never using that soul absorbing attack.
His versatility lets him take care of that aspect though. And the Hulk despite his leaping capability isn't a speedster.
ok, night then. cya around.
Thor hasn't a chance. Even "BFR" is ridiculous, given the energy projection and power WBH has.
This is just fanboyism from the Thor fans, overly defensive due to the dozens of KOs Thor has received of late.
There's just no way someone of Thor's level could live with WBH, not on the same planet, not even in the same solar system by the looks of things.
One ThunderClap and Thor's literally atomised.
Originally posted by janus77
Thor hasn't a chance. Even "BFR" is ridiculous, given the energy projection and power WBH has.This is just fanboyism from the Thor fans, overly defensive due to the dozens of KOs Thor has received of late.
There's just no way someone of Thor's level could live with WBH, not on the same planet, not even in the same solar system by the looks of things.
One ThunderClap and Thor's literally atomised.
He's BFRed Surtur and Ymir at the same time. barker
And he's also shown he can BFR beings in an instant without any buildup or purple prose.
So the idea that he can't BFR Hulk because he'd be "too powerful" is ridiculous because he's already BFRed two entities more powerful than he is. And the idea he'd be too slow to do anything about it is ridiculous considering he can literally make a gesture and poof! targets are gone. And the idea it would be OOC for Thor to BFR to begin with is likewise out of the window considering all the times he's done a BFR.
So considering all of these, how is it ridiculous for Thor to BFR Hulk or how does it qualify as "defensive fanboyism" (lol btw)?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's BFRed Surtur and Ymir at the same time. barkerAnd he's also shown he can BFR beings in an instant without any buildup or purple prose.
So the idea that he can't BFR Hulk because he'd be "too powerful" is ridiculous because he's already BFRed two entities more powerful than he is. And the idea he'd be too slow to do anything about it is ridiculous considering he can literally make a gesture and poof! targets are gone. And the idea it would be OOC for Thor to BFR to begin with is likewise out of the window considering all the times he's done a BFR.
So considering all of these, how is it ridiculous for Thor to BFR Hulk or how does it qualify as "defensive fanboyism" (lol btw)?
Thor has neither the distance needed to be safe from WBH's energy projection nor the durability to power through. And he cannot hurt him.
So, basically Thor is screwed here.
Originally posted by janus77
1. You misunderstood my argument
2. Show me scans of Thor bfring somebody with a "gesture", as I've never seen him do it.
3. Hulk IS faster to react than Thor, always has been, it's how he keeps on top of Thor ALL THE TIME. EVERY TIME.
4. Hulk's reaction speeds are far in-excess of QS, they're more than capable of grabbing Surfer on his board or Jack Of Hearts, from a standstill.
5. Hulk unleashing like he does in "WBH mode", creates planet-wide and greater area of effect energy projections. Projections that completely annihilate (instantly at that) beings in Thor's weight class (and far far greater - Fing Fang Foom for example).Thor has neither the distance needed to be safe from WBH's energy projection nor the durability to power through. And he cannot hurt him.
So, basically Thor is screwed here.
1. Your argument is that even BFR is ridiculous for Thor, given WBH's power and energy projection.
2. Can't really make an argument explicitly against a character's ability if you're unaware how said ability works. He's BFRed an entire group of villians with a single lightning bolt, and merely tapped Mjolnir on the ground to BFR Cap and Tony from Asgard back to Earth. He's BFRed in the form of energy beams and rippling portals and tears in time/space.
3. When it comes to melee, possibly. He's not faster than Thor's ability to point and click, which is basically all he has to do.
4. Thor's more than capable of striking Quicksilver, interrupting the likes of Hyperion and Sentry midflight, and knocking Surfer off of his board.
5. Mjolnir absorbs/blocks/defends against energy of virtually all forms.
Thor's hurt more powerful beings than Hulk, ergo, he can hurt Hulk. He's certainly not beyond Thor's means to damage; that's ridiculous especially when you look at everyone Thor can and has hurt before.
3. Hulk IS faster to react than Thor, always has been, it's how he keeps on top of Thor ALL THE TIME. EVERY TIME.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's BFRed Surtur and Ymir at the same time. barkerAnd he's also shown he can BFR beings in an instant without any buildup or purple prose.
So the idea that he can't BFR Hulk because he'd be "too powerful" is ridiculous because he's already BFRed two entities more powerful than he is. And the idea he'd be too slow to do anything about it is ridiculous considering he can literally make a gesture and poof! targets are gone. And the idea it would be OOC for Thor to BFR to begin with is likewise out of the window considering all the times he's done a BFR.
So considering all of these, how is it ridiculous for Thor to BFR Hulk or how does it qualify as "defensive fanboyism" (lol btw)?
Thor used the Odin power to banish Surtur and Ymir. He didn't achieve this on his own power.
But everytime he bfred someone it was due to special circumstances (CONTEXT is your friend).
It is clearly OOC for Thor to bfr Hulk from the get go without some special circumstances existing, just read comics and you will see. Also if Thor does something 1000 times one way (purple prose bfr) and 1 time another way (point and shoot bfr) then he would most likely do it in a forum fight the way he did it 1000 times before (purple prose bfr). Otherwise, I can say Superman blitzes at ftl speeds from the get go in all forum fights and koes his opponent in a small moment ftw 10/10.
I'm going to be serious when I say this. Thor can be a retard sometimes but I don't think he will be a retard to the point that if he seen Hulk generating energy off of him, energy that is cracking the planet along with a big a** OMNI type energy circling him while Hulk is raging up...why would Thor not bfr him? Thor has fought Hulk enough times to know how powerful he is, looking at Hulk going Super Saiyan would more than likely put a lil fear in Thor, enough for him to know "not" to melee this version of Hulk. Take bfr off, Hulk kills him in one panel...with bfr on, Thor stomps.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to be serious when I say this. Thor can be a retard sometimes but I don't think he will be a retard to the point that if he seen Hulk generating energy off of him, energy that is cracking the planet along with a big a** OMNI type energy circling him while Hulk is raging up...why would Thor not bfr him? Thor has fought Hulk enough times to know how powerful he is, looking at Hulk going Super Saiyan would more than likely put a lil fear in Thor, enough for him to know "not" to melee this version of Hulk. Take bfr off, Hulk kills him in one panel...with bfr on, Thor stomps.
As always, carver is wise.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor used the Odin power to banish Surtur and Ymir. He didn't achieve this on his own power.But everytime he bfred someone it was due to special circumstances (CONTEXT is your friend).
It is clearly OOC for Thor to bfr Hulk from the get go without some special circumstances existing, just read comics and you will see. Also if Thor does something 1000 times one way (purple prose bfr) and 1 time another way (point and shoot bfr) then he would most likely do it in a forum fight the way he did it 1000 times before (purple prose bfr). Otherwise, I can say Superman blitzes at ftl speeds from the get go in all forum fights and koes his opponent in a small moment ftw 10/10.
He didn't use the Odin Force to bfr Surtur and Ymir. 😬 He used Mjolnir's own power to do so.
No, not really. It's usually been Thor wanting or needing to warp someone away and then he does so, either through a hurricane, lightning, tapping Mjolnir once, tears in space, or a form of energy.
I think the special circumstances of Thor fighting a Hulk who's clearly and quite visibly more powerful than any other Hulk he's ever battled is special enough. I could give a shit about Superman speedblitzing at FTL speeds in a thread that has nothing to do with him at all.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to be serious when I say this. Thor can be a retard sometimes but I don't think he will be a retard to the point that if he seen Hulk generating energy off of him, energy that is cracking the planet along with a big a** OMNI type energy circling him while Hulk is raging up...why would Thor not bfr him? Thor has fought Hulk enough times to know how powerful he is, looking at Hulk going Super Saiyan would more than likely put a lil fear in Thor, enough for him to know "not" to melee this version of Hulk. Take bfr off, Hulk kills him in one panel...with bfr on, Thor stomps.
Even when you try to be nice you still troll.
That takes real dedication.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAll true.
He didn't use the Odin Force to bfr Surtur and Ymir. 😬 He used Mjolnir's own power to do so.No, not really. It's usually been Thor wanting or needing to warp someone away and then he does so, either through a hurricane, lightning, tapping Mjolnir once, tears in space, or a form of energy.
I think the special circumstances of Thor fighting a Hulk who's clearly and quite visibly more powerful than any other Hulk he's ever battled is special enough. I could give a shit about Superman speedblitzing at FTL speeds in a thread that has nothing to do with him at all.
Thor clearly has proven, time and time again, that when he decides to use it, he has access to powers above Herald-Level. He has feats that are well beyond that.
What he did with Surtur and Ymir is HUGE, when you think about what he was able to do, who, exactly, it involved and how he did it.
No other heralds are bfr'ing Surtur and Ymir. And, not only bfr, but, (for those whom haven't read the comic), these guys were not just bfr'd, they were OUT-BURIED-INCAPACITATED.
Nobody else, below skyfather-level is doing that.
