Saiyan saga goku would "destroy" ken... there is no evidence to support that ken can pull a single win from the goku during the end of regular dragonball. Show me ken surviving a blast capable of leveling an area the length of a mountain. That version of goku have ken beat strength, durability, speed, and power wise so I know for a fact that he won't do jack to saiyan saga goku.
Who is the most impressive character that ken has defeated?
Originally posted by marwash22
no.You're both showing your ignorance of what a speedblitz is. Show me an instance where Goku immediately goes for the killshot in a fight.
Uh no... a speedblitz (which is a redundant and rediculous term by the way) can be applied at ANY point in a fight, it doesn't have to be at the start of the fight to be considered a "speedblitz".
You're just backtracking to clear up your semantic mishap and taking it out on us. ❌
Originally posted by carver9
Saiyan saga goku would "destroy" ken... there is no evidence to support that ken can pull a single win from the goku during the end of regular dragonball. Show me ken surviving a blast capable of leveling an area the length of a mountain. That version of goku have ken beat strength, durability, speed, and power wise so I know for a fact that he won't do jack to saiyan saga goku.Who is the most impressive character that ken has defeated?
What comes to mind right now is Kaioh but then again, I hadn't seen all of the OVA's yet.
Still, Saiyan Saga Goku would get destroyed by Kenshiro. I mean seriously, he's got nothing to counter Musou Tensei, his techniques aren't as deadly and he hadn't shown to do anything that would put him at an advantage over Kenshiro (except for the fact that he fly and shoot more distructive energy beams).
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
What comes to mind right now is Kaioh but then again, I hadn't seen all of the OVA's yet.Still, Saiyan Saga Goku would get destroyed by Kenshiro. I mean seriously, he's got nothing to counter Musou Tensei, his techniques aren't as deadly and he hadn't shown to do anything that would put him at an advantage over Kenshiro (except for the fact that he fly and shoot more distructive energy beams).
How can this possibly be a legitimate post?
Yeah Goku has no advantage over Ken, with the exception of being multitudes more powerful, faster, stronger and durable than him... 😕
As Carver already stated kid Goku would be a hard enough challenge to overcome for Ken, and to be perfectly honest I'm not even convinced he could pull THAT!
To say otherwise implies he could take King Piccolo.... King Piccolo who could level an entire city with a single wave of his hand.... We're supposed to be impressed by waterfalls running upwards? I think not. 😐
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
What comes to mind right now is Kaioh but then again, I hadn't seen all of the OVA's yet.Still, Saiyan Saga Goku would get destroyed by Kenshiro. I mean seriously, he's got nothing to counter Musou Tensei, his techniques aren't as deadly and he hadn't shown to do anything that would put him at an advantage over Kenshiro (except for the fact that he fly and shoot more distructive energy beams).
How is ken damaging goku... that is the unsolved mystery. Hell, we have kid goku as a child taking an ax across the head with it shattering into pieces. Then we clearly have kid goku tossing super humans without too much rouble cloud height. The kamehameha wave alone would drop ken and again the goku that fought king picollo have that a hundred folds.
Kid goku is more durable, faster, and stronger than anyone ken has faced. The goku that fought junior would destroy ken 10 out of 10. His best chances are against any other versions before that and I could still see him struggling.
If you honestly believe that he could beat saiyan saga goku... you are saying that he can beat nappa as well... a being that leveled an entire city with two fingers.
Can you show me ken tanking anything like that?
Originally posted by jinzin
How can this possibly be a legitimate post?Yeah Goku has no advantage over Ken, with the exception of being multitudes more powerful, faster, stronger and durable than him... 😕
As Carver already stated kid Goku would be a hard enough challenge to overcome for Ken, and to be perfectly honest I'm not even convinced he could pull THAT!
To say otherwise implies he could take King Piccolo.... King Piccolo who could level an entire city with a single wave of his hand.... We're supposed to be impressed by waterfalls running upwards? I think not. 😐
Kid Goku hasn't done anything that Ken can't overcome. He would get stomped by Ken.
Multitudes faster? Sure so...how many punches could Goku throw in just a few seconds? Because Ken at least throw a hundred.
And he can infact take King Piccolo. Sure, he leveled a city but Kenshiro still has Musou Tensei. Plus, if I recall correctly, Goku was too injured to move when King Piccolo destroyed the city.
Originally posted by carver9
How is ken damaging goku... that is the unsolved mystery. Hell, we have kid goku as a child taking an ax across the head with it shattering into pieces. Then we clearly have kid goku tossing super humans without too much rouble cloud height. The kamehameha wave alone would drop ken and again the goku that fought king picollo have that a hundred folds.Kid goku is more durable, faster, and stronger than anyone ken has faced. The goku that fought junior would destroy ken 10 out of 10. His best chances are against any other versions before that and I could still see him struggling.
If you honestly believe that he could beat saiyan saga goku... you are saying that he can beat nappa as well... a being that leveled an entire city with two fingers.
Can you show me ken tanking anything like that?
You really underestimate Ken. Kenshiro has more deadlier techniques. He can turn the fight in his favor depending on which pressure points he hits. That's not saying it's gonna easily kill Goku (unless it's Kid Goku) but it would weaken him to the point Goku's chances of winning would be little to none.
For a while in the series, Raoh>Kenshiro and Kid Goku has no chance of beating Raoh. Raoh fists are so powerful that he knocked another guy's hands off as he was blocking. Also, like Ken, Raoh's body is also much tougher than steel and top it all, Raoh ALSO knew Musou Tensei...yet Kid Goku is better? Please! 🙄
He can beat Nappa too. Knowing Nappa's character, he won't use his city destroying attack until he's really pissed but by that time, Ken would've already hit his pressure points and there's no telling how much weaker Nappa would be.
Kenshiro doesn't have to tank any of that to win. Heck, Goku himself didn't take them and just simply escaped. Kenshiro can just go intangible and they would have no effect. Shoot, Kenshiro could just use the attack right back on him.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Kid Goku hasn't done anything that Ken can't overcome. He would get stomped by Ken.Multitudes faster? Sure so...how many punches could Goku throw in just a few seconds? Because Ken at least throw a hundred.
And he can infact take King Piccolo. Sure, he leveled a city but Kenshiro still has Musou Tensei. Plus, if I recall correctly, Goku was too injured to move when King Piccolo destroyed the city.
Being > a city leveling being is something Ken can't overcome, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous beyond reason.
A hundred punches in a few seconds? Is that supposed to be impressive to me? Krillin and Roshi had a massive exchange of combos and had time to play a game all in the blink of an instant... and goku became so fast as a kid even they couldn't track his movements.
Kenshiro's handspeed is fairly common place in anime, DBZ takes it to another level when you take power scaling into account. So yeah, Goku's multitudes faster than Ken. It's not up for debate.
Musou Tensei is not an adequate answer for someone who can swat you away with a hurricane wind generated by a swat of their hand, and it's definitely not an answer to a city leveling blast. Especially when Ken's up against an opponent who's too fast for him in the first place.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
You really underestimate Ken. Kenshiro has more deadlier techniques. He can turn the fight in his favor depending on which pressure points he hits. That's not saying it's gonna easily kill Goku (unless it's Kid Goku) but it would weaken him to the point Goku's chances of winning would be little to none.
"More deadlier" huh? lol
Yyyyyeah no, unless Kenshiro's gonna be busting up moons and mountains any time soon he's not nearly on the same level as Goku.
And pressure points?
Ughhhhh
Goku was axe proof, Goku was bullet proof, Goku was bomb proof and this was all when he was 7 or 8 years old.
How are pressure points going to work against someone who can resist attacks of the same level as what was described earlier? They won't. That's how.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
For a while in the series, Raoh>Kenshiro and Kid Goku has no chance of beating Raoh. Raoh fists are so powerful that he knocked another guy's hands off as he was blocking. Also, like Ken, Raoh's body is also much tougher than steel and top it all, Raoh ALSO knew Musou Tensei...yet Kid Goku is better? Please! 🙄
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
He can beat Nappa too. Knowing Nappa's character, he won't use his city destroying attack until he's really pissed but by that time, Ken would've already hit his pressure points and there's no telling how much weaker Nappa would be.
😂 this is made of so much fail I can't even begin to respond.. LOL LOL LOL.
Originally posted by Bro SMASHBecause Goku is far faster, more agile, more powerful than Ken. Ken DOES have to tank that to win because that's what he'll be up against. Running away is not the same as a win here. 😐
Kenshiro doesn't have to tank any of that to win. Heck, Goku himself didn't take them and just simply escaped. Kenshiro can just go intangible and they would have no effect. Shoot, Kenshiro could just use the attack right back on him.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes... he has, and he's done it all before he was half of Ken's age at that. 😐
No he haven't.
Originally posted by jinzin
Being > a city leveling being is something Ken can't overcome, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous beyond reason.
Good thing Kid Goku isn't a city buster. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
A hundred punches in a few seconds? Is that supposed to be impressive to me? Krillin and Roshi had a massive exchange of combos and had time to play a game all in the blink of an instant... and goku became so fast as a kid even they couldn't track his movements.
Kenshiro's handspeed is fairly common place in anime, DBZ takes it to another level when you take power scaling into account. So yeah, Goku's multitudes faster than Ken. It's not up for debate.
Of course it's up for debate. Doing what Krillin and Roshi did isn't the same throwing about hundred punches in just a few seconds. And you make seem like moving so fast you can't be tracked is something that's too much for HNK, when it's a common thing even for Kenshiro.
Originally posted by jinzin
Musou Tensei is not an adequate answer for someone who can swat you away with a hurricane wind generated by a swat of their hand, and it's definitely not an answer to a city leveling blast. Especially when Ken's up against an opponent who's too fast for him in the first place.
Yet that person doesn't have any speed feats that are more impressive and have nothing to counter the attack.
Originally posted by jinzin
"More deadlier" huh? lolYyyyyeah no, unless Kenshiro's gonna be busting up moons and mountains any time soon he's not nearly on the same level as Goku.
And pressure points?
UghhhhhGoku was axe proof, Goku was bullet proof, Goku was bomb proof and this was all when he was 7 or 8 years old.
How are pressure points going to work against someone who can resist attacks of the same level as what was described earlier? They won't. That's how.
You do know that pressure point attacks are mostly pokes, right? Kid Goku can take those things, but that doesn't mean his insides are as strong and seeing as Ken is far stronger than a normal human, he definitely has enough force to strike them.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes... he's much better. I mean honestly now... Goku can launch people away from him with the simplest of motions using the air pressure generate by a flick of his wrist.. Again, we're supposed to be impressed by this FOTNS crap? No... just... no...
Nanto attacks can allow sheer air pressure to cut people all the way through and you think I'm suppose to be impressed by what you said? Besides, that's basically all Goku can do; knock people away. Raoh can obviously do the same thing.
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 this is made of so much fail I can't even begin to respond.. LOL LOL LOL.
You know it's the truth.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because Goku is far faster, more agile, more powerful than Ken. Ken DOES have to tank that to win because that's what he'll be up against. Running away is not the same as a win here. 😐
I guess you missed that part where I said he can go intangible...or the fact that Goku didn't have to take it when he fought King Piccolo.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH1. Except beat King Piccolo, right? Because King Piccolo could wave his hand and kill Ken.
Kid Goku hasn't done anything that Ken can't overcome. He would get stomped by Ken.Multitudes faster? Sure so...how many punches could Goku throw in just a few seconds? Because Ken at least throw a hundred.
And he can infact take King Piccolo. Sure, he leveled a city but Kenshiro still has Musou Tensei. Plus, if I recall correctly, Goku was too injured to move when King Piccolo destroyed the city.
You really underestimate Ken. Kenshiro has more deadlier techniques. He can turn the fight in his favor depending on which pressure points he hits. That's not saying it's gonna easily kill Goku (unless it's Kid Goku) but it would weaken him to the point Goku's chances of winning would be little to none.
For a while in the series, Raoh>Kenshiro and Kid Goku has no chance of beating Raoh. Raoh fists are so powerful that he knocked another guy's hands off as he was blocking. Also, like Ken, Raoh's body is also much tougher than steel and top it all, Raoh ALSO knew Musou Tensei...yet Kid Goku is better? Please! 🙄
He can beat Nappa too. Knowing Nappa's character, he won't use his city destroying attack until he's really pissed but by that time, Ken would've already hit his pressure points and there's no telling how much weaker Nappa would be.
Kenshiro doesn't have to tank any of that to win. Heck, Goku himself didn't take them and just simply escaped. Kenshiro can just go intangible and they would have no effect. Shoot, Kenshiro could just use the attack right back on him.
2. A hundred... The altercation between Krillin and Master Roshi beats that vague feat, as does Mercenary Tao effortlessly outstripping the mach 14 pillar he threw.
3. Okay, I have to ask, what the hell is your point? Talking about the Goku being too injured to move. What? Does it all of a sudden mean Piccolo is more powerful?
4. Goku is so durable they would not even effect him. It would be like trying to hit the pressure point of a man in a suit of armor, only more difficult.
5. Only he beat King Piccolo. Who would vape Raoh. Funny, the knocking another man's fists off when he blocked? Nappa did the same thing, to Tien, to his entire forearm. Tougher than steel doesn't mean much when you can vape a city.
6. Only Kenshiro's face would no longer be attached to his skull, before he could think Nappa ripped it off. Oh, and Nappa destroyed alot more than the city, that blast was enough to destroy a small country.
7. Only before he could process a thought Kenshiro would be dead.
Do you not understand this argument?
Kenshiro has to think to use Muso Tensei, but Goku is fast enough to kill him before he can make that thought.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
No he haven't.Good thing Kid Goku isn't a city buster. 🙂
Of course it's up for debate. Doing what Krillin and Roshi did isn't the same throwing about hundred punches in just a few seconds. And you make seem like moving so fast you can't be tracked is something that's too much for HNK, when it's a common thing even for Kenshiro.
Yet that person doesn't have any speed feats that are more impressive and have nothing to counter the attack.
You do know that pressure point attacks are mostly pokes, right? Kid Goku can take those things, but that doesn't mean his insides are as strong and seeing as Ken is far stronger than a normal human, he definitely has enough force to strike them.
Nanto attacks can allow sheer air pressure to cut people all the way through and you think I'm suppose to be impressed by what you said? Besides, that's basically all Goku can do; knock people away. Raoh can obviously do the same thing.
You know it's the truth.
I guess you missed that part where I said he can go intangible...or the fact that Goku didn't have to take it when he fought King Piccolo.
You want to know your problem... you are bringing up all these feats but majority of them were done to people with human level durability (maybe a little tougher than human level). That's why I am asking you who is thed toughest oerson ken has damaged because I can't see him damaging goku.
Also, you keep throwing out that goku, nappa, etc... will not use all of their attacks from the begining but you fail to realize that what you are saying about them applies to ken as well... can you show me ken going intangible in the beginning of a fight?
If this is a serious goku ken lose this fight at the beginning of the sound of the bell... he is going to get his inside punched out and again I am reffering to kid goku... the one that fought king picollo.
Kid goku was fighting people that ken fight during the beginning of dragonball and he was one shotting them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Except beat King Piccolo, right? Because King Piccolo could wave his hand and kill Ken.2. A hundred... The altercation between Krillin and Master Roshi beats that vague feat, as does Mercenary Tao effortlessly outstripping the mach 14 pillar he threw.
3. Okay, I have to ask, what the hell is your point? Talking about the Goku being too injured to move. What? Does it all of a sudden mean Piccolo is more powerful?
4. Goku is so durable they would not even effect him. It would be like trying to hit the pressure point of a man in a suit of armor, only more difficult.
5. Only he beat King Piccolo. Who would vape Raoh. Funny, the knocking another man's fists off when he blocked? Nappa did the same thing, to Tien, to his entire forearm. Tougher than steel doesn't mean much when you can vape a city.
6. Only Kenshiro's face would no longer be attached to his skull, before he could think Nappa ripped it off. Oh, and Nappa destroyed alot more than the city, that blast was enough to destroy a small country.
7. Only before he could process a thought Kenshiro would be dead.
Do you not understand this argument?
Kenshiro has to think to use Muso Tensei, but Goku is fast enough to kill him before he can make that thought.
1. Yet in order to actually hit Ken, Ken has be too hurt move, right?
2. What they did wasn't more impressive than throwing a hundred punches in a few seconds. And just to let you know, Ken himself has gotten much faster since then.
3. No, I was just pointing out that Goku could have avoided that attack before Piccolo fired it but he had an injured knee (if I remember correctly) and thus couldn't move fast enough.
4. No matter how much you try to deny it, unless he's got specific techniques that blocks pressure point hits, he's not withstanding them.
5. King Piccolo nearly vaped Goku and still lost (mainly because Goku had help). Don't think he's suddenly gonna catch Raoh off-guard with his blast.
6. Only Nappa isn't catching Ken to do that and of course, Ken sure isn't gonna leave himself open to that.
7. Goku has knowledge of Musou Tensei and is just gonna attack? Please! 🙄
Goku's not fast enough to kill Kenshiro before he can make his thoughts. As soon as Ken senses how dangerous his opponent is, he'll have all his attacks set. Goku would only have a chance to hit Ken before it happens if he either gets a headstart or if he already knows about Musou Tensei.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Yet in order to actually hit Ken, Ken has be too hurt move, right?2. What they did wasn't more impressive than throwing a hundred punches in a few seconds. And just to let you know, Ken himself has gotten much faster since then.
3. No, I was just pointing out that Goku could have avoided that attack before Piccolo fired it but he had an injured knee (if I remember correctly) and thus couldn't move fast enough.
4. No matter how much you try to deny it, unless he's got specific techniques that blocks pressure point hits, he's not withstanding them.
5. King Piccolo nearly vaped Goku and still lost (mainly because Goku had help). Don't think he's suddenly gonna catch Raoh off-guard with his blast.
6. Only Nappa isn't catching Ken to do that and of course, Ken sure isn't gonna leave himself open to that.
7. Goku has knowledge of Musou Tensei and is just gonna attack? Please! 🙄
Goku's not fast enough to kill Kenshiro before he can make his thoughts. As soon as Ken senses how dangerous his opponent is, he'll have all his attacks set. Goku would only have a chance to hit Ken before it happens if he either gets a headstart or if he already knows about Musou Tensei.
So you are saying that ken can outrun a city level destroying blast?
Originally posted by carver9
You want to know your problem... you are bringing up all these feats but majority of them were done to people with human level durability (maybe a little tougher than human level). That's why I am asking you who is thed toughest oerson ken has damaged because I can't see him damaging goku.Also, you keep throwing out that goku, nappa, etc... will not use all of their attacks from the begining but you fail to realize that what you are saying about them applies to ken as well... can you show me ken going intangible in the beginning of a fight?
If this is a serious goku ken lose this fight at the beginning of the sound of the bell... he is going to get his inside punched out and again I am reffering to kid goku... the one that fought king picollo.
Kid goku was fighting people that ken fight during the beginning of dragonball and he was one shotting them.
Like I said before, I hadn't seen all of New Fist of the North Star (which takes place after FOTNS 2) so I don't know who was his strongest opponent. Therefore all I can think of is Kaioh.
Just look at Kenshiro's last two fights with Raoh. He uses them depending how dangerous his opponent is. Goku (not Kid Goku) and Nappa would surely be dangerous opponents.
Kid Goku stands no chance at all. He doesn't have enough advantages to win against Kenshiro. I doubt Ken would even have to use Musou Tensei against him then.
Ken can one-shot those people too. It's not that impressive.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Like I said before, I hadn't all of New Fist of the North Star (which takes place after FOTNS 2) so I don't know who was his strongest opponent. Therefore all I can think of is Kaioh.Just look at Kenshiro's last two fights with Raoh. He uses them depending how dangerous his opponent is. Goku (not Kid Goku) and Nappa would surely be dangerous opponents.
Kid Goku stands no chance at all. He doesn't have enough advantages to win against Kenshiro. I doubt Ken would even have to use Musou Tensei against him then.
Ken can one-shot those people too. It's not that impressive.
kid goku does have an advantage over ken... he have a speed, durability and possibly a strength advantage. You are truly over hyping ken... what ken fight daily ken goku ran through them like water.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Nope but he can either jump really high in the air to avoid it or just stop King Piccolo before he can do it.
Show me ken avoiding that type of blast and I was talking about nappas blast. Then in the beginning of your post you say that ken can take on super saiyan goku... do you honestly believe that ken can take on frieza, a true planet buster?